oldmanfan

I don't get fooled by anyone.

The problem in most issues facing our country right now is that no one is willing to recognize that there are no absolute right or wrong answers. Compromise used to be a good thing and now it is looked upon as some kind of evil. I walked in a protest walk in my town the other day. I did so because we have got to come together as a society. There are not many black individuals in my city, but those that I know well and am proud to call my friends have shared experiences of how they are pulled over routinely for traffic stops in our town, when they have done nothing wrong. My daughters have seen the same thing with their friends. I know one young black man who was the star of the high school musical, he was the Phantom in Phantom of the Opera, and he got hassled by some because he was a black kid playing that role. The black community has a lot they have to work on themselves, but as a 64 year old white guy who has never had to deal with the crap many black men and women deal with, I felt it was time to show my support and actually listen to what's going on out there. And it was the experience of a friend of my daughter, who like my daughter is adopted and of Asian heritage, that finally convinced me I can't just sit on the sidelines. Her friend went into a grocery store to run an errand, asked a white clerk for help, and the white clerk told her that she can't wait on people like her. If it had been my daughter, I can't begin to think what I would have done; getting her fired would have been the first step. Different minority, but similar prejudice. So I walked. And I was the oldest person there. And the mostly kids I was walking with chanted, but were respectful and the folks along the route downtown were as well. And as I walked, I made sure to thank each police officer I met along the route for the horrifically difficult job they do each and everyday protecting me and my family and my community. As did a number of the young folks. it is a time to stop and think, a time to discuss calmly and rationally, a time to recognize and value peaceful protest while recognizing looters and rioters and scum like the guy that shot the Las Vegas officer in the back of the head deserve the maximum punishment, a time for police forces and unions to acknowledge they have some guys that should not be wearing the badge and that hen they break the law they too should be held accountable. It is a time for us to all listen to the other guy and put ourselves in his or her shoes.

It's asinine for any city to disband their police force. I am a big believer in law and order, and I am solidly behind the police men and women that put their lives on the line every day to protect our communities. But getting rid of bad apples that stain the work of the vast majority? Retraining to perhaps emphasize de-escalation vs. confrontation? Sure. And while we're doing that, time for the leaders in the black community to take on the killing of blacks by blacks. That is a tragedy in need of resolution.

Fromm is a fairly young kid that said something really stupid. His relative youth should not be a shield to excuse it, rather it should emphasize the need for him to keep quiet and lean from his mistakes. Leaders in the clubhouse, or guys like Zo who are still associated with the team, will no doubt sit down with the kid and explain why his comments were so stupid. And he'll learn or he won't. If he doesn't his football career is over.

I recognize different feelings on this. But having some players kneel for the 2 minutes to protest does not ruin the game for me.

While I understand chat rooms like this emphasize extremes in viewpoints, the events of the past week or so emphasize the need to have dialog and really think about the other persons’ viewpoint. The death of George Floyd causes me as a white man to really look at what it means to be black in America. And it isn’t pretty. And we all need to recognize that and do what we can do to change not only ourselves but others. And we can do so by also recognizing the good work that the majority of good police men and women do, while insisting that the bad apples be gotten rid of or prosecuted when they break the law. Just as we can recognize the rights of peaceful protesters while demanding justice when rioters and looters destroy businesses and neighborhoods, or when they kill police officers like the one in Las Vegas. The NFL finally got its wake up call and one can only hope they create a positive force for justice. Football will be played, but it will be played as it always has by men of different colors and beliefs that are not just football players but individuals with different experiences to share. Let’s hear them. Let’s hear a Kaepernick who stands up for what he sees as wrongs committed against black men. Let’s hear a Brees comment about his beliefs as to the meaning of the flag. I for one have no problem with kneeling, as kneeling in most circumstances is a sign of respect and a soldier recommended it as a respectful way to protest. But let’s talk about it. Or more importantly shut up and actually listen to the other guy. Our society today sees things too much as black and white, where in reality issues are more grey. And the very fact I use the phrase “black and white” to describe this pretty much says it all. God help our country.

That is dated information from March, I believe. The CDC has more recent recommendations indicating mask usage and I believe that WHO is currently examining whether to change their recommendation status.

Brees has the right to express his opinion, and his teammates and others have the right to call him out on it if they think he's out of line. They'll have to settle things in the locker room when they get back, although him stepping back a bit should help. Fromm can spout off what he wants, and Tre White can tell him he's a idiot. I am a big believer in law and order. When people break the law they need to be punished. That includes looters and cowards who incite violence during peaceful protests and come up behind a Las Vegas policeman and shoot him in the head. It also includes policemen who hold their knee down on a guy's neck even when he has no pulse, or when they shove a 75 year old guy back and crack his head open on a sidewalk. I'm also a big believer in the Constitution. I believe people have the right to peaceably assemble and protest against their government, whether that be on the streets of cities after a black man is murdered, or if it is kneeling on the side of a football field. I believe that peaceful protesters should not have pepper bullets and such shot at by agents of the government to clear a path for a non-religious man to stand in front of a church using the Word of God as a political prop. I believe in freedom of the press, and that the press should not get shot at or attacked for doing their job , whether or not you agree with their writings. I believe the Constitution guarantees every citizen the right to vote, and that trying to take that away is unconstitutional. I believe the Second Amendment gives you the right to own and carry a gun as well. And I am sick and tired of people picking and choosing which amendments they support and which ones they reject to serve a partisan political purpose, regardless of your political persuasion. It's been 50 years since the last major protests across this country. I still remember driving down Bailey and seeing the stuff on the UB campus. You'd think we all would have learned something by now.

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First game at the Rockpile in 1960 and many thereafter!

I’ve brought this up in other threads, but back in the 60’s most if the guys had jobs in the off-season. The guys that stayed in Buffalo would play charity basketball games, and each year they’d play the faculty at Cardinal O’Hara. My dad was always asked to ref the game and he’s take me with him. So I’d get to hang out in the locker room with guys like Lamonica, Stew Barber, Paul Costa, Al Bemiller. Think Butch Byrd was there. And Ernie Warlick - HUGE hands. For an 8 year old kid it was pretty cool. Shane Nelson, Jim Haslett, Fred Smerlas

Cool! I threw him out there since he got them to the finals. Lindy has to be in there. And I hope in 10 years Ralph is a no brainer.

I was there. The Juice was incredible

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I think Levy , Saban, and Ruff are no brainers. I’d throw Floyd Smith out there for consideration. Short term but got the Dabres to the finals.

I just posted above I was glad to read more about the IRS thing. To me it is an example of what I want to see, a part of the executive branch overreaches, the legislative beach through its oversight corrects it. So you can stick your dishonesty stuff.

Well this is brilliant on your part. I looked at it and agreed with you. The IRS did something wrong here, the legislative branch examined it and brought it to light, and folks got fired. You are apparently so locked into your preconceived views on things you can’t see the forest for the trees so I will say it again. 1. I did not vote for Obama therefore I have no specific allegiance to him 2. I am for our constitution and 3 co-equal branches of government each overseeing the other. Sadly

An example of what I want done. An abuse of power by an agency under the Executive branch, properly investigated by the legislative branch. Let me remind you I did not vote for Obama. I’ll have to check this out. Maybe it’s time the current president realize his words have meaning.

I am taking the point that if there are transgressions in the executive branch that you have both the legislative and judicial branches to execute proper oversight and if required legal action.

Did a little quick search on this. Obama wanted the law changed to ease burden on consumers? And did not make an executive order from what I could see. If that is incorrect send along the info for me to look at. And no, I would not say this would equate to dictator. Presidents want what they want. Trump takes it to extremes. I believe he wants to operate without either the legislative ir judicial branch inhibiting him whatsoever. My opinion of course, but that to me would destroy our country.

From what I can tell on this side of the board, diving into source documents equates to finding sources that back your preconceived opinion. I on the other hand will wait for actual congressional investigations if and when they take place.

Everything you have there such as using the IRS to get back at enemies is your opinion. You have a view of the world, that somehow there is this deep state conspiracy that the former administration used, and you interpret all things to fit your narrative. They are not fact. Fact will or will not be ascertained by actual investigation.

I came into this thread to answer the OP, which I did. What you all consider fact remains to be shown as so by proper investigation. Some people are having a fit right now about Graham and Johnson having hearings. Not me. That is how the facts will actually come out. Assuming subpoenas to the appropriate individuals are answered as they were not during the Ukraine hearings. Rhino claims facts. He confuses his opinion, based on his deep state bias, as fact. But even paranoid people have enemies.

And you keep parroting your same fake I know better than everyone else stuff like you are somehow more omniscient than everyone. You’re not.

No I do not think Obama wanted to be a dictator. Yes I think Trump does and the evidence of that to me is irrefutable. On the topic of thinking, it is apparent you do not and only continually either parrot you deep state material or insult those who dare to call you out on it. I think about things and have opinions you may not agree with. You do not think about things and reflexively try to fit everything into your preconceived agenda.