oldmanfan

Ok boys, let’s matriculate the ball down the field!

I’ve been watching football since the 60’s. It may just be possible that the Jets are the worst team I’ve ever seen.

Not when his orders can kill people. Masks, distancing, handwashing. They work. Of these he refuses to enact two of them, and you saw what happened with infections at the White House

Claiming I am obtuse because I want our country to unite in defeating this virus simply shows the problem. We need to quit calling names and work together.

No. Until we get the infection rate lower than the percentage advised by the CDC and other health experts. Then you can more easily trace and isolate affected individuals. Or until we get an effective vaccine and/or treatments. You have to remember this is a new virus. It can be carried by asymptomatic individuals who can then infect others, it has dramatically different effects on different people and we still don’t know why, we don’t know what the long term health effects will be. And as tired as we all are of this, infection rates are rising in most states. i think the most frustrating thing to me is that we as a country refuse to pull together to end this thing. Other than the Vietnam war, when I think of other national crises our country has faced such as wars, economic issues and such, we all pull together as Americans. Why we don’t today is just sad.

Table 2. Excess All-Cause Mortality in the US Compared With That in Other Countriesa

Sad. And with respect to Covid the virus doesn’t care a whit about politics, etc.

The respondent wants folks like you and me to die so he can do what he wants. If this attitude ever prevailed what would keep them from just gathering up all us older folk and eliminating us?

So you have to eliminate data to make your argument. Perfect. Their mortality and infection rates are higher than most every country. That is fact. Spare me the gratuitous Karen insults. We can do things to mitigate spread and still be out doing the things we want to do.

A pandemic definition includes a disease that occurs in multiple countries and in large numbers of people. So Covid qualifies. What I will continue to say is that we can do things in public like shopping, etc. but just do so safely. Wear masks if close together, do things outside in smaller groups, wash your hands. Yesterday I went to a bar with a friend and had a couple beers, wore our masks in and out and the bar had seating that separated folks. Went to work this morning and I and my patient had on masks. Going into church right now; seats are spread out more and we all will disinfect our hands on the way in and wear masks. And some will join us on line. We are basically being asked to do three things. Why we all cannot or will not do that is simply mind boggling.

Biden by about the same as Trump won in 2016.

Sweden: 5th highest death rate in the world 2nd to the US in slowing down of death rate since the pandemic hit infection rate climbing again after slowdown in the summer Not completely open in that restrictions on numbers that can group are in place Its citizens voluntarily did things like distanced and quarantined when sick, because unlike the US they are willing to work together Economic impact has been similar to that of other European countries despite not locking down Attempt to get herd immunity; estimated 10% in Sweden have Covid antibody but you need around 70% for herd immunity - how many more will get sick and die as they continue their approach? Deaths affected many elderly in nursing homes, so geezers died which should make you happy Check out the Oct 6th article in Science. Goes into great detail on how infection and mortality rates in Sweden may be underestimated because sick patients weren’t allowed access to hospitals, among other things.

I am one of the older people and I have patients I see every day. I wear a mask to protect them and they wear masks to protect me. I teach college students every week and we do the same for each other. You used the phrase protect a bunch of geezers. I’m sure your parents are happy to be thought of that way.

So old people have no value. That’s nice. Tell you parents or grandparents.

We have to get pressure on Mahomes. Their O line is suspect. And with Tre and Milano back we can hopefully hooks up in the back. Our offense should be able to do well. So no reason to think we can’t, but we’ll need a much better effort than this past Tuesday.

Dude, I have my doctorate, been doing research and clinical work for 40 years, and I think I can be pretty sure I have a firmer grasp of science than you. I am more than capable of formulating opinions without the benefit of Dr. Fauci, although why folks like you continue to ignore the advice of the pre-eminent authority on infectious disease remains insane. Gum or periodontal disease generally comes from poor oral hygiene. Wearing a mask, even if it does hold in bacteria or fungi as you believe, does not mean you cannot brush your teeth and floss. Those are the ways you prevent gingivitis. I would be very interested to know the particular disease thus individual has. I am trying to figure out how a situation such as you think happened would result in a localized gingival issue and not a more systemic issue. They should. I don’t think anyone would argue against better overall health in facing down Covid.

Yeah I actually started as a dental student before switching to grad school. Gum disease is usually due to poor oral hygiene. Not sure how a mask would exacerbate that.

I go to church every week. I agree with peaceful protests and disavow looting and rioting by any group, left or right wing (and there have been both). And I’m sorry for your ex’s hairdresser but as one who teaches anatomy and physiology I am unclear how a mask would cause periodontal disease. Regardless, telling folks they have to wear a mask at work during a pandemic is not a violation of some inherent right, it is a condition of employment. Well stated my friend.

Thank you my friend. Nice to see a voice of reason.

What rights did you give up? Seriously. And what rights is anyone saying you give up permanently? Wearing a mask does not violate your rights any more than having to wear a shirt into a business does. We can assemble now as long as we wear masks and we check the number of people to a reasonable degree. I go to church every week now. Go to work. Go out to eat. As Bills fans we all want the stadium to open again, but is that a right? we had to make some adjustments to be sure but no one has permanently lost their rights under the Constitution.

The focus should on a vaccine. Not arguing that. But developing successful vaccines against corona viruses have nerve been very successful. Hope this time it is, but we should also focus on developing treatment strategies and on keeping the virus from spreading. I increasingly think Covid may wind up like HIV, where through strategies to prevent spread and treatments have rendered it more of a chronic condition if you get it. Look at what you’re saying though. You talk about weathering it in NYS and other areas. How many died? How many have long term effects? The masks stop droplets and help stop aerosols. You can keep saying 2 + 2= 5 and you will still be wrong. The idea of spreading it as rapidly as possible will kill millions. That is immoral. How many people in the US and the world are you Ok with dying? Give me a number.

That study with the 80% is being misconstrued. What it really showed is those in restaurants and bars/coffee shops where you have to take your mask off had higher infection rates. I agree on the NYS data; that has always been puzzling. No. Absolutely no. If what you are saying is to forego masks the infection and mortality rates would skyrocket. You don’t really want that, do you?

I believe the data tells us if we wear masks, all of us, and wear them correctly it will significantly decrease infections.

It is not just a bad flu. The mortality rate is 5-10 times higher, there is no vaccine, and it can be spread by asymptomatic infected persons. Sweden’s trial is proving to be mistaken; their per capita mortality rate is much higher than other European countries. I’ve already addressed your misconceptions about the study you cite. The idea of masks is to hold down spread of droplets by the wearer. That has always been a consistent position. What the CDC Director is saying is that if we ALL wear masks right now it would be more effective than a vaccine. Yoyr approach would kill a lot of people. How many American citizens do you think are expendable? Give me a number. Or maybe the thing to do, since the elderly are more affected, is to pick an age and anyone over that age should just be humanely sacrificed now. What age would you select?

All these are inaccurate and reflect how scientific investigations take place, especially in a situation like Covid. Many are working and studying the virus, data comes in and as that happens recommendations change as well.