oldmanfan

Then maybe he needs to adjust his style somewhat

Should have an incomplete listed, but give it a C right now. Grade will change after the draft.

Was a great run, but he’s 31 now and production fell off last year.

It is a good decision if the dissection he was rumored to be causing was true. I cannot imagine this deal was made without Josh being OK with it.

I think they’ll use this year’s 1 and next year’s one plus the #2 from the trade and move into the top 5-10. They walk away with one of the top 3 WRs in the draft.

Hill at the peak of his career, Diggs on the downside of hi.

True. As would Jerry Butler.

Agreed. And while I’m surprised I think back to Bill Walsh who said it’s better to get rid of a guy a year too early than a year too late.

Again, Andre Reed would like to say hi.

Andre Reed would like to say hi.

I’ll believe it when I see it. But if true I assume they talked to Josh and he didn’t want to deal with the distractions anymore. Has to be a prelude to a move way up in round 1 for one of the top WRs in the draft.

So when you say criticism of Josh has to stop you’re not serious. Looking back through this thread it strikes me there is actually agreement on many things: 1. Josh is a great QB. 2. People can accept that Josh can continue to improve on the mental or processing aspects of his game. 3. Deficiencies in other team aspects particularly on the defensive side and on coaching need to be improved going forward.

I’m still confused. What can we say on the message board and what can’t we say?

I think Favre is the floor for Allen. Allen has better physical talent and if he can add to that some of the mental aspect of a Montana he can be the best ever.

Well stated.

Designed scramble would be an oxymoron one would think.

So as Shaw and I have said, he is a great QB that can continue to improve on the mental side of his game. Is that kind of commentary allowed or do we have to stop because you say we must?

Calling specific runs is different than going through progressions on a called pass play.

I agree with you Shaw. Love Josh, delighted he’s our QB, and look forward to his continually making himself better. I think the difference between you and I and some other folks here is in the comparisons to other QBs. Some say Favre and are happy for that. But I think one can argue Favre cost his team championships with his gunslinger approach. Great QB to be sure but could have been even more accomplished. You and I admire a guy like Brady or Montana who were much more surgical in approach. Maybe not the same physical skills as a Favre, but ultimately more successful. I think if Josh could take his insanely great physical skills and approach the management skills of say a Montana he would be unstoppable. And I think he can do so.

No one is claiming Josh alone is holding the team back, only that he like EVERY OTHER ATHLETE IN RECORDED HISTORY can improve. Does our D need to improve a helluva lot more than Josh for us to win? Absolutely. Coaching? A helluva lot more, absolutely. O line? Yep, absolutely. Quit with your hero worship and read what people are actually saying. Expand Actually quite a few posters over the last couple of months have been saying exactly that. And then when some of us get pissed off and call them out for it you and others accuse us of "hero worship". This was our earlier exchange. I said no one is claiming Josh alone is holding the team back. You highlighted that, and responded “Actually quite a few posters over the last couple of months have been saying exactly that”. Those are your words. And now it’s now the criteria is sole reason and I’m playing games? You’re the one who denies your own words. Or to put it another way, playing games. Like ignoring what I wrote about all aspects of the team needing to improve. Just more of your game playing. The issue here is when you deny the words you used, it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion.

Ok, as I’ve said you just want to engage in ridiculous hyperbole. Here is an example, quoting from what I posted that you just referred to (capitals for emphasis): Look at other sports and the guys who worked hardest to improve every day were guys like Jordan and Bird. AND YES I AM QUITE SURE JOSH IS DOING THE SAME. When you want to have an actual discussion without resorting to deliberately misstating what people say let me know.

Find one single person on this board saying Josh is the sole reason we haven’t one a Super Bowl. I’ll save you time; no one has. What has happened is that people state correctly that he can continue to improve. And that you and others then go into hyperbole and claim things that have not been said. I don’t know of a single fan either personally or on this board that is not happy we have Josh as our QB.

Just stop with your nonsense. Tom Brady worked hard every offseason to improve. Peyton Manning did. Look at other sports and the guys who worked hardest to improve every day were guys like Jordan and Bird. and yes, I am quite sure Josh is doing the same. Because he, unlike you, knows one can constantly improve. No one is claiming Josh alone is holding the team back, only that he like EVERY OTHER ATHLETE IN RECORDED HISTORY can improve. Does our D need to improve a helluva lot more than Josh for us to win? Absolutely. Coaching? A helluva lot more, absolutely. O line? Yep, absolutely. Quit with your hero worship and read what people are actually saying.

People are trying to have a reasonable discussion, but you insist on hijacking it with this kind of hyperbolic nonsense. For the Bills to win a Lombardi ALL aspects of the team must improve, coaching, player performance etc. That includes the QB.

Don’t give me the narrative crap. I think there is plenty of evidence to say that you don’t want to give Mahomes the ball back with time left. A first down let’s you run more clock, then kick a FG from closer in and with a lot less time on the clock. Did Josh lose the game? Of course not - the D with all the injuries needed to hold one more time and couldn’t. Is Josh great? Yes. Can he be even greater? Also yes.