oldmanfan

And he drafted guys like Taron, Groot, Brown, Benford, Bernard, Oliver that have made impacts. The problem with this chat room in general is twofold: 1. Impatience. Some expect a player has to be great year 1, and improve from there. 2. Black and white. Some believe you either have to be an All Pro to have “impact”, or you’re a bum. No in between. We have a solid roster of players that are doing a good job, otherwise they would not have the records they’ve had the past several seasons.

He needs to play like he did before his injury. With some improvement. Can you expand on your second paragraph statement? Names for example? Or how many 20-22 year olds that Beane drafted that struggled?

Let’s just shoot him. And from now on with rookies if they have one bad outing, the same.

Guys like us at least have the AFL championships to remember. I have to believe God is benevolent enough to give us one Lombardi before we leave the planet!

If I ever move back I’m getting seasons for the Bandits.

I agree with most of this. Beane tends to use FA and of course the trade for Diggs for the WR position. My point is simply that it is premature at best to write off a guy in Coleman that has been on the field for less than one full season.

James Worthy is a retired LA Laker I believe. The Chiefs offense is great because they have a first ballot HOF head coach that is great at calling plays, a first ballot HOF QB who is great at executing the offense, and a first ballot HOF TE that has defied coverage schemes for years. Not because they have great WRs. Look back at the Chiefs drafts the past few years. Guys like Skye Moore, Cornell Powell, Mecole Hardman. Not exactly threats.

Which WRs made the Chiefs offense a juggernaut the past couple years?

So now a day 3 pick who hasn’t played a down in the league is proof Beane is bad at his job. I love this time of year.

I’ll say this as plainly as I can: Coleman was a rookie. He missed time last year in addition to being a rookie. He has things to learn. Like getting back to speed after an injury. Writing him off after just over half a season is ridiculous.

I think we agree. I’m just saying there are other folks assuming he’ll never work out. Way too premature for that.

I’m not. What I am asking is why assume he won’t? He played a little over a half of a rookie season.

Glad you’re not. I wish more fans had your attitude.

If either Coleman or Kincaid had been injured and out for the year we wouldn’t have all the crap this entire off-season. Because people would realize you can’t be critical of a guy who lost a season to injury. If Josh had gotten hurt and tried to play through it as Kincaid did, and his performance suffered, you bet everyone here would excuse it.

Injuries aren’t excuses. Injuries are injuries.

Very true

And OJ had as HCs the genius John Rauch who wanted to use him as a receiver and decoy, followed by Harvey Johnson who was Ralph’s friend and knew squat about football. If only Lou had never left.

Since childhood we always want the toy the other kid has

I was a teenager back then. And those teams were awful.

I think the point of Brady’s philosophy is there isn’t a WR 1,2,3 etc. it’s that you have a group of guys you can scheme with against the defense he’s playing against.

I’m not sure what was worse. The teams of the mid 80s or those from ‘69-‘71.

Seems like too much $$ for a guy with his skill set, but he is operating in Shanahan’s offense which seems suited to him.

Agreed. It’s a long off-season. Just got the heck of it I googled for articles comparing combine results and on field performance in the NFL, and the results generally show none to weak correlations for the things tested at the combine and success in the league.

Had the fastest gauntlet drill of anyone for the year of his combine and the previous year. So what does that mean in terms of on the field performance? And let’s do a little math. A guy that runs a 4.2 covers 9.5 yards/second. A guy that runs a 4.6 covers 8.7 yards/second. A difference of about 2.4 feet/second. What does this really mean in terms of on the field performance? Coleman was not drafted to be a speed merchant. He was drafted to give the team a big, physical presence at WR. What he can work on ins using strength and such to get off the line better. He can work on route running. And so on. All such things can be improved upon with practice and coaching. So you see how much he develops his second year. The assumption he can’t improve is simplistic at best. I would remind folks here that after his rookie year there was a QB who was said to be inaccurate, and that he could never improve upon that and thus his future was limited. His name is Josh Allen. All the guys on that list are bums. Right?

I repeat, why assume he won’t?