oldmanfan

People really are saying just that. Odd, isn’t it?

It was a tough catch but should have had it. But you can’t judge a guy on one play.

A quick check shows Cooper had 8 games with us, with 20 receptions for 397 yards. I think that’s easily replaceable. Now, I know the subject of his injury will be brought up, but then again both Coleman and Samuel were injured and many are saying they are now busts. Same with Kincaid. Beane was right yesterday about how proficient the offense was last year. Cooper is still out there; I read a rumor that he may no longer be interested in playing, but he’s still out there. Frankly I’m more concerned with replacing Hollins, especially his attitude in the locker room. Shavers will get that shot. But again the guy at WR 5 won’t make or break the team. I think everyone would love a guy like Chase at WR. But that kind of guy was not in this draft anywhere, and certainly not on day 3. Just try to relax.

I think Coddrington stays. He did a fine job as the return guy and I don’t see Shenault winning that battle. Shavers as WR 5 if he can show good special teams play.

Of course he isn’t. Pete is like a puppy with a chew toy. He refuses to let go. We had one of the best offenses in the league last year, but that doesn’t count because we didn’t draft a guy that can just run straight down the field. Oh, and contributions from TEs and RBs and the impact of a running game don’t count either.

Coleman got hurt. As did Samuel. I never call any athlete a bust if their performance was affected by injury. If Samuel is healthy he makes plays so it was not an awful signing. It’s a legitimate concern about him staying healthy give his history. Coleman has to continue to improve; Beane and McDermott called him out on that and I expect he will. Meanwhile we have people also bashing Kincaid but he tried to play banged up as well. And we have people ignoring the impact of the backs in the passing game. What Beane said was true. At this time last year people laughed about things like signing Hollins or expecting Shakir to improve. But with that crew they had a great, balanced offense and an MVP QB who many (including me) bashed him for taking. You look at the weakness of the team and it’s more on the defensive side (and some of that is on Beane to be fair). So you try to make that side better. Hairston put it best regarding the focus on the D. Get the ball back to Josh. Always enjoy our exchanges.

I think Brady is a more receiver minded OC than Roman. I’m also not as high on Herbert as some.

Cooper is falling off. Saw it with us last year. Palmer should benefit from our offense under Brady vs. Roman.

I think Palmer upgrades Cooper. Shavers steps in for Hollins and likely is a bit of a downgrade.

You don’t do what this kid did in the SEC without talent, but raw. Needs NFL level coaching and training but love a big tub of goo!

Can you provide more detail?

I would submit those guys are rare.

And watch. If we sign this guy, the exact same people moaning about not doing anything with the WR room and not getting a guy with speed will turn around and say this isn’t the guy.

This is the third thread on this same topic currently.

Good thoughts here. Acceleration rate would be something I’d like to see.

As a scientist I am all about gathering data, but I want to gather meaningful data. Data that has correlative value, in this case data that shows me a guy has a better or worse chance of success in the league. So with all the testing done at the combine I presume the league has done this?

The second coming of Rice? Just stop with the hyperbole.Our offense looked really good last year and a day 3 pick is not likely to make it better. Could it? Maybe. But having a big tub of goo helping to shore up run defense likely helps more overall. On day 3 I imagine you have Beane and the coaches looking at their board. And if considering a WR getting scouting input, Brady’s take on a guy and whether he adds to what we have, and so on.

Then measure explosion rather than total time over 40 yards. I don’t think they’re the same. If, in the end, the difference between two guys over 4 yards is a foot, I don’t see that as meaningful and wonder why so much emphasis is placed on the metric.

What needs to be done to help you let this go? Resigning Cooper maybe?

I would tend to agree. Are there then other parameters measured during the combine that should be given more importance than total 40 time?

I looked it up. 4.46. So let’s say you get someone who is a 4.3. If I have the math right, the latter guy over 40 yards runs just over 1 foot farther over 40 yards than the guy running 4.46. Has anyone in football ever shown that’s a meaningful difference? I’m not trying to argue just for the sake of arguing, but is that a real difference on the field?

So if the kid they drafted round 7 got drafted by us round 5 that would have solved your issue?

Do they suck, or are they just the 6th guy when we have 5 guys in front of them? Because a guy hasn’t quite broken through, do they automatically suck?

How would you answer to the fact they have guys with speed on the practice squad that don’t suit up?

We also add guys in free agency. I recall last year people laughed when Hollins was added, and now many are very sad he left after one year. We cheered for Cooper but I don’t think he added what we thought he would. Some now assume Palmer will stink but will that tune be different in a year? Same with Coleman. Drafting a WR every year I guess is fine, but to me you use a draft to add strength where you need it, and we needed much re strength with DBs and the D line interior. So they addressed that. Doesn’t mean I think Beane is absolutely done at WR, but if he wants to keep the offense humming I hope he’s working on the Cook deal now.