Heavy Kevi

My understanding as well. All has to do with tenure. You "cut" them, and they either hit waivers or don't depending on it. Some more info per PFT on the difference, and vested veteran rules as well: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/30/vested-veterans-wholl-be-cut-will-get-to-pick-their-next-team/

Agreed. It is also important to mention the McD surely knows alot more about TT than we do. Concussions can take a while in certain curcumstances, but the vast majority allow a player to be active in less than 15 days (from concussion to opener). I think who plays tonight will tell us alot more about TT's status than "what we have in our coach" as previously mentioned.

I can't believe you are actually defending this ludicrous narrative. Or believe it. Obviously, after 17 years of suck, alienating the Bills fanbase is a fools errand. I'm starting to think satire. Either satire or stupid, which is it?

Yes, of course. Vlad ducasse= massive clandestine conspiracy to undermine the Bills. I just don't get why, the Bills seem to be very effective at sucking without help.

I don't disbelieve the OP's story or that a former player might think that. But at the same time I don't see how a former player (who isn't dealing with McD any more than we are), knows something we don't. Being his opinion is fine, but I just don't value anybodys opinion on the matter and am willing to let it play out. That's from someone who is very skeptical about the return we have gotten from recent trades (myself). Fact is, we don't know how it will turn out, but I respect the honest attempt at a legitimate rebuild. Too many half assed, win-kinda-now-but-still-rebuild years and need a real foundation if we want a build something big. Overzealous, cap cuffing, "big splash" signings are a thing of the past and that is refreshing. I am going to "trust the process", but I might mumble and groan along the way.

You watch too many movies. Lol

So your argument is essentially "why did they disrespect him after he disrespected them?", and that since you are super duper important with a big paycheck too and got away with it, he should too? And if Marcell is aiming to be treated like an adult, perhaps he should begin to act like one. Exactly. They are saying with their actions "my time is more important than yours". Some people care about that stuff. It matters whether you do what you say you are going to do.

Sometimes I wonder if you are sincerely a nice, albiet ignorant person... ...or pretending to be nice so you can sneek in jabs. I'm going with the latter, but I guess I won't rule out sheer ignorance, GBfan2010

Man, I love seeing a fan of another team that makes Bills fans look normal by comparison. Cheers, bro

Never should it even be suggested that we root for the Pats. Plus, it's a foregone conclusion that they win, so you can get the earlier KC pick and never have had to sacreligiously denounce the Bills long enough to even utter one pro-pats phrase.

I don't agree with this at all. They are switching to 4-3 because that's what McD and Frazier do. All the talk of fitting the system to our players is obviously not the case, if you are a square peg they will ship you to a team with square holes.

So trading away Darby, Watkins, and Ragland for significantly less than their value isn't a fire sale? Fore Sale - a selling of remaining goods or assets for a very low price. Don't try to paint me as some sort of alertist, Jesus Kellytough...

Fire sale!

I would be willing to bet McD lasts 3 years at the least, as a matter of fact I would all but guarantee 4 years. They wouldn't be so clearly building the future if they thought 2 years and done was a possibility. I get the impression Terry is ready to let McD's vision play out completely.

Usual suspects... ...Dirtiest player in the NFL, and that's saying something. Burfict no longer gets benefit of the doubt

All good man. I know the pressure is building as the season approaches. People are passionate about their opinions, and that's fine. Quite frankly that's why we are here, at the land of misfit toys, only for fans too intense for the average football conversation. I just have a hard time believing people want to go 2-14. They want a Super Bowl, too, but think tanking is the way to get there. There is evidence of mixed results, mostly supporting the fact that tanking doesnt work, but I get the perspective. We lose 1 more game in 2003, we would have gotten Roethlisberger, and 1 more loss in 2010 gets us Cam Newton, etc. Do you remember/celebrate those wins, or would you rather have Ben or Cam? That's the thinking. I do understand your point of view though.

Nobody has advocated for players not trying hard. It's ludicrous to think players would do that in the first place. This team will lose because of lack of talent. It seems to me like you are emphatically not that different in the thinking of many. FO is not "tanking", they are proper rebuilding thinking about the long term as opposed to the "sell tickets now" approach. But to act like people who would have hope from a high pick are losers or havent played sports tells me a bit about you, too. My guess is you and I define "success" in life in grossly different manners. I'm sure our definitions of success in football are the same, but I guess I would rather bottom out because we can't keep supporting the farce that we can win this year, or pretend like 8 wins is some noble cause. It is always best to make moves for the future betterment rather than now unless you are actually close to being competitive. And of course the players we have will try like hell to win, I would not expect any less.

I get what you are saying here, but think if Peterman were to start and show promise, there would be tons of hype and interest around him. Aside from the fact TT is in CP right now, he is a known quantity, and as Bills fan we will take hype over known quantities every time. Not saying it's right, but selling tickets wise, I think Peterman may actually do better at that, provided he continues to show at least flashes of promise. It's clear his quick, decisive throwing fits the WCO, and I was actually surprised at the velocity of some of his balls yesterday. Also, as mentioned before, this upcoming draft is a make or break one for us. It would behove us the know what we have at QB before commiting more picks to the position, especially since this year is a bust already.

Better that than a low talker... with man hands.

Working hard and doing his best is admirable, and makes him a role model; but let's not confuse effort with results.....hmmm I think I've heard that somewhere before....

If Edelman is out for the year.... yayyyyy! Now the pats fall to a lowly 12-4 and only manage the conference chamionship. Sad day to be a Cheats fan. Meanwhile, in Buffalo, we will struggle to get to 6 wins, and just barely price ourselves out of the next great qb prospect. Even more yay. Vats of yay in fact.

Well that's pretty spot-on in my opinion. Same mat that took Kolb? Again, spot-on I wouod love to see QBs in a clean pocket, but they don't play for Dallas or NE, so......... If it makes it to the third, Macgregor can't win. He only wins with a KO in the first couple rounds, then he gets sloppy. Going to see the rope-a-dope until Conor becomes hittable.

Lets not count out the Phins? We couldn't count out USC right now.

I actually agree with you. Now, I realize he doesn't fit the system, but I think he fits the Quarterback. Tyrod is a "see it now throw it" guy, he does not throw with anticipation. Stevie is a "get open" guy, and that just might work if Tryod sees him open, particularly on broken plays. Now, is he the same guy at 31? I certainly don't know. But if he wants to play, why not give him a workout?

I was expecting to hate it, but for some reason I find it pretty slick.