GoBills808

Was he the head coach too?

If he had also been the GM w a ton of awful drafts and tried to run our best QB ever out for Jimmy Garoppolo and that QB would go on to win the Super Bowl the next year...yeah I think some people might not appreciate that.

How confident are you he won’t get extended? Let’s put some money on it.

Always been good

Actually we were talking about fumble RECOVERIES, but since you insist: guess who has more forced fumbles on a per game basis, Tremaine Edmunds or Matt Milano? 😂😂😂 Look if you guys want to believe in things that don't exist, go ahead. There is no data to suggest that fumble recoveries are anything other than random.

It's not two years, its two year increments over six years. That's 155 pairs of consecutive team-seasons, or 310 individual data points.

So he must have the most forced fumbles of all time then…

No. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2004/guest-column-turnovers-and-unpredictability-defense

The data show otherwise.

To that end (and I realize it's getting off-topic but still relevant vis a vis a player's skillset, real or imagined): this has been studied by several outlets, FootballOutsiders as referenced before as well as FootballPerspective and others. It may seem counterintuitive to you but there is no predictive data to be derived from fumble recoveries. It is entirely random and using them as proof of a player's relative abilities isn't going to offer anything in the way of insight. It's a totally useless endeavor. If fumble recoveries were a skill and not luck, we would expect a nonrandom set of values of a linear regression between the relationship of a team's fumble recoveries from the first half of the season to the second. Instead, you get this: ...ie a totally random distribution. The relationship between a team's fumble recoveries from the first half of the season to the second is <.02, or a nonexplanatory independent variable. Contrast this to the observed values of a team's yards per carry, which IS predictive over time, distributed over the same first half/second half of the season model: ...you get a very neat linear progression. tldr fumble recoveries are known quantities , entirely random, and should not be used to infer the quality (or lack thereof) of a player/defense/team

No, sorry. Fumble recoveries are not predictive and have zero correlation year to year. Recovery of a fumble, despite being the product of hard work, is almost entirely random. Stripping the ball is a skill. Holding onto the ball is a skill. Pouncing on the ball as it is bouncing all over the place is not a skill. There is no correlation whatsoever between the percentage of fumbles recovered by a team in one year and the percentage they recover in the next year. The odds of recovery are based solely on the type of play involved, not the teams or any of their players. Fans like to insist that specific coaches can teach their teams to recover more fumbles by swarming to the ball. Chicago's Lovie Smith, in particular, is supposed to have this ability. However, in Smith’s first three seasons as head coach of the Bears, their rate of fumble recovery on defense went from a league-best 76 percent in 2004 to a league-worst 33 percent in 2005, then back to 67 percent in 2006. Fumble recovery is equally erratic on offense. In 2008, the Bears fumbled 12 times on offense and recovered only three of them. In 2009, the Bears fumbled 18 times on offense, but recovered 13 of them. Fumble recovery is a major reason why the general public overestimates or underestimates certain teams. Fumbles are huge, turning-point plays that dramatically impact wins and losses in the past, while fumble recovery percentage says absolutely nothing about a team's chances of winning games in the future. With this in mind, Football Outsiders stats treat all fumbles as equal, penalizing them based on the likelihood of each type of fumble (run, pass, sack, etc.) being recovered by the defense. Other plays that qualify as "non-predictive events" include blocked kicks and touchdowns during turnover returns. These plays are not "lucky," per se, but they have no value whatsoever for predicting future performance.

You realize fumble recoveries are due entirely to chance...

Not just covered: read it, jumped it, eliminated it. Forced QB to pull it down and throw a bad pick. 3 plays later Allen back shoulder to Knox puts the game effectively out of reach.

Move the ball at will…wow. Don’t know what you guys have been watching. Like at all.

You really think Tremaine Edmunds is a net negative to the team?

Played lights out again

Steelers had a healthy defense when we played and have since been decimated by injury just fyi

For how talented WASH defensive line is, they had an astonishingly ineffectual gameplan to stop Allen, took some really bad angles and he just slips past

Not an uncommon sentiment in NFL circles

Oline did its thing all 5get game balls for me

The NBA has been doing it for some time now https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/presents18931717/the-nba-secret-addiction

He’s been great.

Still the Pats Jets are irrelevant Dolphins are baby bro

Congrats #1