SinceThe70s

This is exactly why I think giving possession to the defense at the spot of the fumble when it's out of the end zone makes the most sense. It preserves the field position advantage for the offense. I think the fundamental difference of opinion on this is how folks view "out of bounds" vs. "out of the end zone". IMO they are fundamentally different and should be treated that way. Others see them as fundamentally the same.

If they change the rule I hope they just give possession to the defense at the spot of the fumble instead of making it a touchback.

The best part of this story - whether it's true or not - is that I don't care. I'd have no problem if they kept him around. Either way it doesn't move the needle for me. Not like when Brady left NE (which was great) or retired (which was better).

I completely - and respectably disagree. Far too many times we have 5 minute slo-mo replays to 'figure it out' and the announcers, the highly respected former official, the viewing audience and the guy who actually makes the decision all have a differing opinion. It's an exercise in futility. Get the egregiously bad calls right and live with the rest - we're stuck with living with the rest either way.

WRT the bolded, another point of view is that if the players respond immediately it gives legs to the report. If they think it's utter BS responding just keeps the story public and maybe the reporter gets more pub. It's kind of like trolls on this (or any other) site. Some folks are just looking for attention for personal gain or attention. Ignore them and it goes away quickly. I think the Bills played this perfectly. FYI: all of the above doesn't make me question whether Sean should be the coach past this year

This deserves more than just an awesome. I guess I'm on a crusade cuz I just made this comment in another thread - the most sensible solution I've ever heard is to eliminate slo-mo from replay reviews - if it isn't obvious in a real time replay let it stand. It'll never happen, but that's the best solution I've ever heard.

I couldn't agree more with the bolded. Watching the game with my son we had a few instances were we disagreed on which way the call would/should go. It detracts from the product imo. Best suggestion I ever heard (from a poster on this board) was that instant replay reviews should only be done with real-time replays, no slo-mo. Unfortunately it'll never happen.

IMO this is a shining example of how instant replay has made the game worse. If we go the Zapruder route on every single play, I have no doubt we'll find something to complain about on a large number of plays. Replay is a necessary evil but the slo-mo replays do more harm than good.

Everyone has a big but. Let's talk about your big but. Disclaimer: the statement above is a movie quote and should not be construed as a negative statement about the intent of this thread or OP.

Thanks - but my son subsequently showed me the press conference and he was upset that Toney was called Offside on the throwback play. Just speculating, but maybe some lingering p!ssiness from the non-call at the end of the Packers game. Definitely not a look I've seen from Mahomes. The fact that he was that p!ssed after the game makes me wonder if it affected him on the three plays that followed the penalty.

Maybe the wrong thread but can you imagine the headlines and on-going narrative if that play had stood given the timing of Wycheck's untimely death.

What was Mahomes p!ssed about?

I was just about to comment that I live fairly close to NYC and I don't think this story has the traction around here that folks think it has. I heard a local sports talk guy yesterday bemoan that he was surprised the story already went away a day after it broke.

If the stipulation is that we've never heard of an act of kindness like this occurring on another team I'd counter with my doubt that fans of other NFL teams have any awareness that it happened with the Bills. From my corner of the earth the only part of the article that had any legs is the 9/11 reference - and even that appears to be in the rear view mirror already.

Did you mean extemporaneous?

Awesome. Would be a great addition to my youngest son's 'man cave'. But he's off to college next year so hope you find someone younger.

Just to be clear I think there's a strong argument that McD should be fired solely on his merits as a coach. I also think that the way he attempted to use 9/11 as a motivational tactic was a serious lapse in judgement. I don't take that lightly, my sister-in-law lost her father that day. My nothing burger comment had to do with relating Sean's firing to the 2019 incident. I see no relationship between the two - particularly since he supposedly addressed the 2019 incident shortly after it happened.

Thanks for sub-quoting me and losing the context of my post. Good on ya!

Presumably everyone on the board sees Sean's choice of motivational tactic back in 2019 in a negative light. But does anyone see this as a true reflection of the man or was it just a seriously misguided lapse in judgement? My current thinking is it's a big fat nothing burger and nothing to do with his ability to bring us a championship the past few years. On the other hand I do question whether his coaching ability will keep us from winning a championship - but that topic has been debated ad nauseum.

Better yet, serve it to an unwelcome guest.

For sure - assuming McD is still around - due to this or football reasons.

It's been awhile since It's been on the shelves - rumor was that the lawsuits from injuries due to flaming shots became too much - and I have nothing to back that up except rumor. I always thought it was funny that the bottle had a screen on it. A local store had 151 Cruzan for awhile but I haven't seen that in at least a year or two.

If this ends up being McD's undoing my comparison is Capone getting put away due to tax evasion.

LOL - I just texted the same thought to my Jet fan friend (before seeing your comment). Ironically he's a guy that told me recently he thought McD is a good coach.

Send the 151 my way. Pretty sure they stopped making that years ago. Haven't found a consistent replacement since - and who doesn't need a floater on their summer rum drinks!