Steve Billieve

Yeah, I agree completely, that's how it should be done. If Allen improves we should try to sign him, and if they like where he's headed the sooner the better. I just don't think a fringe "top 10" QB is 40 mil/year (currently). QB contracts are so big now that you can't really make a mistake and recover, you're talking about an entire rebuild. If we actually do sign Allen long term after 4 we won't have to pay record money.

Taking a lot of heat so I guess I'll elaborate/dig a deeper hole. I guess it depends what you mean by franchise QB. IMO middle tier QBs are grossly overpaid, and they are the surest way to set yourself up to be a playoff bubble team at best with no real chance of going all the way. I don't think there's a big difference between the perceived 10th best QB compared to the 20th best QB. Even the contracts seem to bear this out. There are 18 QBs making 20+ mil a year. I bet every team that signed one of those thought they were getting a top 10 guy, but with the emergence of Watson, Mahomes, and Jackson some aren't even in the top 20 (and that's before you count the potential of guys like Allen, Darnold, Tua, Burrow, Mayfield, Jones, etc) In any given year I think there are usually 5 QBs who are just better than the rest, and they are usually the same QBs year in and year out. Paying someone big money who obviously isn't in that tier is a mistake imo. The league is filled with average replaceable QBs on bloated salaries. Seems like the consensus rank for Dak is around 8 (+/- 2), where as Allen is usually mid 20s. That's a huge difference, but imo neither player is really ensuring their teams success or holding them back. Dak = 40 mil vs. Allen, Diggs, Morse, Hughes = 40 mil IMO Dak is not in that top 5, so if he wants to hold out for 40 mil like it appears I would definitely let him walk. I'd rather go with Fitz (4 mil) or Foles (8 mil) or Dalton (3 mil) and try to replace with a rookie. I get we've been in QB purgatory for too long, but it's better than QB hell.

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Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Dak isn't good enough and Allen hasn't become good enough. Not trying to predict the future. Seemed like Dak was the blueprint we were looking at.

So you would sign Allen as the highest paid QB without him improving from where he is currently at? You think the Cowboys are winning Champtionships with Dak?

I'd let him walk. Both Dak and where Allen is at now. It's not even a question. Grab a first or second round prospect after Allen's 4th and sign his option. In today's NFL you might even be able to trade him. QB on a rookie deal is a beautiful thing, even a mediocre one.

One things for sure, Brady wouldn't be playing in his 40s.

I almost don't want to say it, but Devin's rookie year was so good . . . regression to the mean . . .

This is such a great take liking it just isn't enough.

It's not a problem once you have a foundation.

I was going to say it wasn't an investable thesis, but I was wrong.

Sounds right.

Don't even have the courage to vote on it.

Sounds like the extra interviews were put in as cover to vote it down.

Top 10 QB is completely undefined to me. Seems like at any given time there are 20 QBs who have had top 10 seasons and could again, maybe only 5 who are consistently in that category. I think Allen will have at least one top 10 year.

But what if he caused it to happen?

Not sure exactly how the points work out for fmv, but I would think 1, 5, 6 > rest of draft.

it was a joke since we traded most of this drafts capital on such receiver

Getting a young proven #1 receiver on a cheap contract.

Maybe we already have our RB2 and fans just don't know it yet.

Maybe Thomas is good enough that he doesn't rely on the refs not flagging him

McCoy didn't do anything here to qualify him for best of the decade. Very good for season, sure, good for another 2 absolutely. He also put up some dud stats at the end.

I would say it proves the opposite. What McCoy and Gore did to get on that list wasn't done in Buffalo. And the same goes for Lynch and Peters. It's almost like we've been unable to get the most out of the players we draft, and have had to rely on the professionalism of players in their twilight looking for their jacket. Thank God those days are over!

I thought they bumped it up to 55 or 58 or something. Maybe that's only when the new cba kicks in?

We get more than 53 immediately though?