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Was he that good in college? I remember watching miles jack film and he covered him like the whole game and jack ended up with more yards cause he was doubling as an RB for the bruins.

Was talking to @Doc about this. Salary is guaranteed. But team could try to recoup the bonuses. This is tough though cause if star is concerned about the team trying to recoup the bonuses he could just show up and try to get cut (so the team can’t get the bonuses back).

No we dont need that much. The sum of their salaries might make it look like that but in practice its much less. In the offseason your top 51 contracts count against the cap. So when you sign a draft pick you are displacing one of those top 51 and the cap hit is the difference between their contracts. With first round picks this is a actually a material amount of money (like $1 mil or so) but for the later picks its not nearly as much. I think we need 2-3 mIl for draft picks (that might even be high)

8 rounds of draft

No news the discussion was tangential. Someone mentioned hoping they cut Star (really bad idea) and I responded say I just hope he doesnt retire which lead us to this rabbit hole. No news here.

Agree on Lee Smith. I see you can "try" and get the money back. Sounds like the process goes to arbitration. I know (lost the link) you dont get the cap relief until the money is returned. So since its a process and FA is right around the corner I think its best if Star doesnt retire else were gonna be trying to fill a hole and we wont get the money until later. The big assumption in there is that the FO would try to get it back. Appreciate the clarification that we do have some ability to get money back but Star retiring would be pretty awful still.

That might be it either way i still hope he doesnt retire (I'm gonna keep trying to find more info). Trying to get that bonus back sounds like its a bit painful.

Thanks! I wanna find the video(s) from @Cover 1 where they were saying different. Maybe its the new CBA?

Do you have links cause I'm seeing it (link above) as a release?

Please explain. My understanding is retirement is a release thus he costs cap. This is why were letting Lee Smith retire cause otherwise were cutting him. I know @Cover 1 has discussed it before but here is another reference from last year (3rd paragraph). https://www.catscratchreader.com/2020/1/15/21066845/nfl-carolina-panthers-luke-kuechly-retirement-cap-space-2020-what-does-it-mean

No they wont. It will cost them cap space which is why i hope he doesnt retire.

Im just hoping star doesnt retire.

No rule of 51. It might look like 10million but only the top 51 salaries count against the cap for now (53 later obviously). When you sign a draftee if they make more than the 51st player than you bump them off the list. However, the affect to the cap is just the difference between the draftee cap number and the 51st players cap number (since that player was counting previously). When you consider the price of later round draft picks relative to vet minimums those picks cost like nothing to sign.

This doesnt make sense to me. Now we need our draft picks to start giving returns??? Why not when we were 8-8, 9-7, 6-10...? That mark, of truly great teams that lets starters walk, is a franchise QB. You have one of those (we do) you can let players walk, you can have draft picks not hit. If your draft picks do hit then youre talking about super bowl and not just a playoff team because you have a franchise QB.

Harder to take the rest of this good post seriously when you think rookies will cost $6-$7mil per team. Rule of 51 reminder.

No sweat I was just poking the bear. It was others putting those other guys here.

HAHA you were in the Williams vs Milano thread saying we should retain Williams, Feliciano, and sign a pro bowl OL. Not sure what resigning Star means, but if it means cutting him I don't know what else to say other than youre not thinking about this seriously. Moving Heaven and Earth will not be enough for the wish list you described with Von Miller.

Hmm... Thread title change? Golladay and Henry are not releases. Still gonna use F5 for this thread either way.

Sure. I dont think hell take it Agree we dont have anyone in the fold and not retaining them would make us "worse." However I do think we can get better than Felicianio if we use the assets he would command on someone else. Simple answer for the Chiefs game was that Feliciano got beat by Chris Jones. I think many think hes our aggressive physical player, but he didnt really look like it that game. You could probably save $25 million ish by cutting butler and restructuring all of the others. I would prefer doing that and keeping them on the team (if we cut Addison our DE group is Hughes, Epenesa, Johnson).

I think we can upgrade from Feliciano. I do not think he was good this year. If we bring him back I hope there is competition for his spot. I do not think we can upgrade from Williams so we should pay him. Bates and Boettger are not moving the needle for me. Ford hasnt played as well as Boettger yet but has more starter starter traits so will hold out hope. I can live with a competition between them for a G spot. I 100% agree with spending draft capital on the OL this year. I think at least two picks one of which is our first or second. I put OL as a priority over TE tbh.

Feels like its kicking the can down the road a year. If he can earn his "non-likely" incentives, then its goes to next year. I assume this is sorta the case if Morse initiated the talks as mentioned above.

I think this is the video from @Cover 1. As always really good content.

See the Greg Tompsett tweets or his video on FA. But in short there are "likely" to be earned incentives and "non-likely". The designation is made by your performance the previous year. If you would have earned the incentive the previous year then its a "likely" and comes of the coming years cap (if unearned then it you get it back in the next year). If you wouldn't (no matter the circumstances), then its "non-likely" and comes off from the next year if earned.

Sorry your language confused me a bit. To be clear, there will be $2 mil cap savings this year no matter what. Whether we lose cap from 2022 will be dependent on his play this coming year.

I'll go a little higher with Williams to maybe 11 mil per year and a little lower to like 7 mil per year for Feliciano. However, I agree they will let both walk if they get priced out. Williams also hasnt really been paid either.