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Yes by my limited understanding

I think its almost all the loss. I see 104 million lost on forbes and 7 mil per game at another site. Thats 56-104 mil. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/05/18/the-stadium-revenue-each-nfl-team-will-lose-if-games-are-played-without-fans/?sh=1a6417a4691a (figure at bottom) https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/062515/how-nfl-makes-money.asp (half way down they discuss money per event). Edit: Math in the second one didnt add up. I got it closer to 80. So yeah most of it was ticket loss.

Spot trac has him as the 10th highest in 2022. So wow thats pretty reasonable if you think hes at number 10 like most of the board (and many posters). https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2022/inside-linebacker/cap-hit/

there are three votes for pro bowl. coaches, players, fans. he did not get in by the fans (see: this board as evidence). So thats providing player and coaches (not fans) as evidence. I thought we didnt like PFF grades, but if thats how you lean then you must agree Tre White was the 19th best corner in 2019. Missed tackle percentage is a problem but also a problem for the whole defense outside Levi Wallace. Edit: his missed tackle percentage for 2020 was 9.4%. This is just on the wrong side of average (still within 1 SD I assume), so more average than bad. Again McD defenses here have been notoriously bad at tackling.

Youre not really debating the merits of your point though. He's been to pro bowls (clearly not by fan vote), 3x captain, voted in top 10 at position. these all counter you position of "bad." How do you respond to these points (@alphadawg7 is probably frustrated because you seem to ignore them)? Do you have evidence to support your position of why hes bad? Do you have replacements that you seemed sure the bills would select in the draft? Please add value to the convo.

Based on the schedule we will have played the same number of games. I get that we played a team we wouldnt have but whats more important is number of games which will be the same. Edit: you mention wear and tear above, thats dependent on number of games not if it was a team you wouldnt have played before

For Stephenson? Maybe. I think the injury made it easier to stash him on the PS. Who wants to put an injured 6th round pick on their roster.

I feel very confident beane has a path for keeping all these players (Dawkins and Poyer have been extended already) whether it includes edmunds or not.

Would like some data. However, I am arguing there are things about Edmunds we’re not seeing; though I am using facts to support. I wait for PFF up to come up with a metric 😅

I just don’t know that this can be proven. Is there anything to support. All the other data suggests it’s random.

Think they are talking about fumble recovery which is random by my understanding. Don’t know that anyone has metrics on recovering fumbles relative to opportunities. But which team gets it is pretty much 50/50

Chips in balls. They can put them in our vaccines (joke).

Both times?

Certainly got some things to work on. Again I have no clue on his valuation but the point I want to make is that he’s doing things well that are not obvious to us fans. This sorta doesn’t make sense. If you don’t pick up his 5th year you have to make a decision about his future after this year. By picking his 5th year up you get an extra year to evaluate. You don’t pick up the 5th year if you’ve seen enough and you don’t want to re-sign (sounds like where you are at). Some do re-sign but I think the majority don’t. Beane did NOT make any long term decisions about his future. He just gave himself more time to evaluate. the draft is super unlikely to give you similar performance and I also think a UFA would be pretty pricey (12 mil probably) for a top 10 mlb. I just don’t see them moving on from a three year captain, 2x pro bowler, ranked in top 10 at position by peers when they could get an extra year of team control. in conclusion yes it’s pretty crazy to call picking up the 5th year a mistake. It’s probably the least crazy thing on my list but sounds like you believe some of the other items on my list.

Crazy considering his first 16 games.

That recovery is after a missed tackle so.... (also its a recovery not a forced fumble) There is so much confirmation bias in this thread its crazy. I have no idea how the front office will value Edmunds when it comes to a new contract, but talk about a mistake to pick up his 5th, he makes the defense worse, he can't play football, we would much better without him are all just not based in the real world.

I think McBeane care. To point number 2 Poyer and Hyde are both getting long in the tooth. The defense may have other leaders, but Edmunds has worn the C longer than any other on that side of the ball.

Knew Marino was gonna be pretty happy (also mentioned in his podcast). Joe was pumping him all offseason and took his lumps during the preseason/TC. So far (knock on wood), Knox has become much more consistent which makes him very dangerous considering some of the things he can do that others cant.

Oddly I havent heard coaches talk about Milano as much. I actually find that genuinely odd cause he fills the stat sheet more. Additionally, coaches/players generally rank Edmunds over Milano. I dont know why but it seems pretty consistent. Its another piece of evidence to say hes doing something we as fans can't see. Define much better. How do you think itll change these current numbers 12 points per game, 250 yards per game, 178 pass yards per game, 14 first downs per game, 2 Turn overs per game. I would like to know how you get MUCH better from those numbers.

I missed that on his first post. But yeah 2018 and 2019 we were the best against TE from a fantasy perspective so yup even more silliness.

If this season so far is what it looks like when they run and pass at him, then I will happily accept a top 5 defense, and I’ll see you in February now that josh is back.

I feel like you don’t realize you’re saying that the mike on a top 5 defense is a liability to the point that he just can’t play football. God bless you but that’s a white hot take.

Can def respect a lot of this. I do think he’s more that just a solid football player. I think he’s been good but in a way that’s hard to see (setting defense, coverage down field). I would def agree there are things I would like to see more of too (like the Wiggins comparison). Appreciate your thoughts

Haha what. Why is it clear? No doubt? If I have no doubt its that beane will multiple ways to go in the draft so there will definitely be doubt about replacement (should’ve said UFA signing and draft pick). Who are you putting in for his reduced snaps. Klein? 🤮

I really don’t have a good idea (see my comment about not knowing his valuation) since most of his best work happens downfield away from the broadcast view. Certainly players and media thought he was more than 5th last year as he was one of two to make the pro bowl (not a perfect measure of rank I know but says something). I do know he’s not the worst player on the field, like playing with 10, or a mistake to pick up his option. I think we drafted him to be QB of the defense and get us in the right call. He seems to be doing that.