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We have so much good young OL depth. I could easily see a trade for Clapp or another vet if the youngins are ready to go

No talk of contract on this QoD yet. Dude costs 3 mil + to cut this year. And that’s not considering his replacement. I think they sorta have to roll with him but if he sucks cut him mid season. Would like to see browning be punter and kickoff as browning was holder the day Bass went 5/5 iirc. If browning is also kickoff (he did this in college at SDSU where he broke punt gods punt records and coverage is something punters have to do), then bass can just focus on placekicking and get back to form.

Top 5 in % pressures responsible to O line. 78% iirc from locked on pod last week. I think blitzes are a pretty good reason for both of those.

Yeah great point. I think it’s probably functional strength that I’m getting at. He doesn’t seem to be as much of a people mover. And could be grading on a curve against Torrence who is very much a people mover. Thanks for the context and let me know your thoughts on functional strength. It’s probably worth some film breakdown but who has time for that.

Seems straight forward agreed. Samuel is line to get a lot of targets if he doesnt get injured and rest of the UFA class doesnt move the needle much.

Joe Marino has hammered the point that the move on from Morse to McGovern was a choice. Not something they had to do necessarily. The interview was part of that logic, so i agree hes gonna feel good at center. Interested to see what they do at guard cause McGovern and Morse are both smaller and that was maybe the only weakness running the ball. If Edwards or Collins can help move DL with McGovern as part of combo blocks were gonna be so deadly in the run game. Cook, Ray, Josh, Samuel, any other gadget player. I think the idea is to force teams to put 7 in the box against us.

As @Doc Brown mentioned we have plenty more numbers than you indicate. I would also say having Elam and Bishop as your back up in case of injury or if the new Mike Edmunds (only starter that hasnt been a starter with us before). The original question was about what would you spend the cap on. You would try to get an impact player at CB or Safety is what youre saying or do you just want another body (again I agree with Doc we have those bodies and they are familiar with the system)

I think Bernard already played at a pro bowl level. More picks, recoveries, sacks, tackles, and better coverage rating than JOK (JOK beats him in FF 1v0, TFL 20v10, PBU 6v5). Similar story with Demario Davis, more recoveries, tackles, picks, PBUs, and better coverage grade (rating of 80 is really incredible) with Demario having more FF (1v0 again), TFL (12v10) and same sacks (6.5). Bernard also covers further down field than either player. Don't get me started on Bobby Wagner who only had more tackles and TFL (11v10) that were better. Would argue he played similar to Patrick Queen too. Basically I'm saying you story line should be does Bernard take the leap to ALL-PRO LB cause he pretty clearly has the stats to be in the PB but not the name recognition.

Im very inclined to agree with this. I also see a plan at many spots, but we wont know if its working out until a bit of the season is played. I think more likely we dont do anything now and then make a trade during the season to shore up one of the weak spots for a playoff run (trade for sutton if broncos are struggling this year for example, josh uche if the patriots starting making big mistakes with new leadership)

Bernard - Extend as hell never be cheaper. Really stepped up and settled the defense with Milano out. 4 years 36.5 million to make him just inside the top 10. For the others I took stabs here but there are better cap folks on this site Josh Allen - extend to make the cap hit better. give him whatever he wants (4 years 230 mil if pressed) cause hes worth it Cook - let it play out cause paying RBs is not a great idea (will admit he can be the exception for a few reasons) Spencer Brown - Extend NOW for 3 years 48 million with 24ish guaranteed cause thats the market for RT (this a not top 10 contract) Groot - Extend to lower the 5th year option number. 3 years 42 mil (tick above 5th year option). Contract is about 20th and money wouldnt really kick in until von is off hte books Knox - play out. if you think hes got more in tank extend for 2 years 18 mil Shakir - play out. they are starting to show an ability at finding late round receiver talent (Davis, Hodgins) I could see brown and groot not accepting these contracts and wanting to bet on themselves. Would also say the team has shown us the off the field stuff matters a lot to them so its very difficult to do this without knowing how they are dealing with injuries or changes to their role

Still worried a bit about boundary WR. I understand the plan but there is a high enough chance that Coleman needs a season to get it sorted; Claypool is what hes shown the last two years; Hollins is super efficient with his opportunities that I think we could use an outside WR. We are pretty well stocked at all positions (pretty surprising considering our cap position heading into the offseason) but at the premium positions of Edge (my primary focus cause the plan doesnt feel as good) and WR they are missing elite top end talent so I think adding more makes sense.

Edge is my biggest concern. WR after that. CB and Safety could also be considerations. For the most part though I feel pretty good and wanna see what they have

I really like Davis but wouldnt call him explosive (not athletically; RAS of 4.64). I think his vision and grit (agree with tenacity) is what gets me excited (great compliment to Cook). Hands are an interesting question. I would be very surprised if he had less drops than Cook in college (think it was 1 or 2 for cook at UGA). Cook really had an outlier bad year last year (year 1 drops were not a problem). Hoping he regresses back to the mean in a good way. They are different players so I dont think its wise to comment on if either could replicate what one has done. It would be pretty easy for lots of people to say an athletically limited RB would not be able to take advantage of the space that cook did. But again they compliment each other; i trust davis to get that hard 3rd down or TD because he wont be denied (basically his life story).

Great point and also would note that he didnt have a red zone pick for a long time (granted it popped up this past year). Dude has been so good.

I have generally really appreciated Brasky's reporting. Agree Shakir is not diminutive so he erred here, but his reporting is usually very good so I will give a pass....

You think WR5/6 is getting 600 yards? Yeah he’s not as valuable as a 600 yard receiver but those are WR3/4 numbers. And you really don’t think Mack Hollins would get vet minimum pay to be on the bottom of a 53 man roster? OJ Howard is the relevant example right? but even he made a 53 man roster after we cut him. And I think Howard had less of track record than Hollins.

You think Hollins will come back to the PS? I think the dude will get paid to play somewhere else. Hes worthy of a roster spot in the NFL for ST alone. Don't think he makes his way back to PS if he is cut. 3.6k snaps over 6 years is nothing to thumb your nose at.

Can someone to point me to the terrible passing stats when Brady took over. I see 139 completions on 229 attempts for 244 yards per game. This is 10 yards per game down from with Dorsey and 6% lower completion percentage, but i sorta don't see it. As noted Josh ran more so he more than made up for that with his legs. Would also like the reference for worse rushing efficiency under Brady. Dude sure seemed to help us win a lot with worse efficiency in all phases. Unless it was hte much maligned defense. Edit: I see the rushing numbers now which went from 4.59 YPC to 4.43 YPC. Im pretty meh on that as well. Suspect success % bears out some of raw stats here. Would also note that Brady faced NYJ, Eagle, Chiefs 2x, Cowboys, Chargers Patriots, Fins, Steelers, (6 play off teams and the Jets defense) is significantly tougher competition than NYJ, LV, Wash, Fins, Jags, Giants, Patriots, Bucs, Bengals, Broncos (2 play off teams and the Jets defense). So slightly less efficient numbers are perfectly acceptable from that perspective

I remember us using a different dime package a few years ago against mahomes. Rather than taking an LB off for a DB and only having one; we took a DL off and left Milano, Edmunds, Taron on the field. I would like to see more of this as LB seems to be a strength of the defense. It would probably be a edge that comes off if were not getting good heat with them anyway.

at 0:23 seconds he gains great separation even though hes slowing down. Thats a TD if the throw leads him at all. This is madness to say routine separation and I shouldve never engaged with some one that doesnt have good faith discussion. This is for the play that starts at exactly 0:10 seconds on the all routes film not the next play that starts at 0:15. Wow you really wanted to discuss the 0:15 play. That run is ordinary to you? Burden is on you to prove it. How many times did LSU give up a play like that if their defensive scheme was so bad that they gave up such an ordinary TD.

I provided further exact time stamps to look at to try to assess them with you. I mentioned i hadnt had a chance to look at that video even though I intended too. I likely dont have the time to get stills of every play that I listed. Did you look at the specific time stamps of 7:11, 0:14, 18:56 to show you examples of when he was getting out of the ordinary separation? I was trying to understand why you thought those plays that are out of the ordinary separation imo are considered routine to you. Again i would note that you need to not just look at separation when the ball gets to the receiver and need to look at separation at the time of ball release. Did you look for all -22 as i suggested? broadcast view really limits what you can see (7:11 and 18:56 have all 22 angles). Seems like you dont want to engage as I seemingly put more work into your exercise than you did and then you didnt want to reengage (3 line response when i gave examples and wanted to go one by one after already giving you a good bit of my time). If you wanna be miserable about Keon as a prospect because you didnt look fully enough; then go be you. I tried to engage in good faith. My bad and shouldve realized based on your past behavior on the board (really just wanted to watch that video).

You’re gonna need to show me safeties and off coverage players getting turned around that much for me to believe that is just routine. I was pretty surprised how much trouble he created in that regard. You need to pause when the throw is being made more too. Look at 7:11 and tell me that’s not very open and then where does the ball land (comically in the wrong spot). That is not good coverage by S. Same thing at 0:14 (there is all 22 of this play if you really need to see how open he is). 18:56 he’s being held gets few yards of separation that he has to give up cause the ball was thrown to the inside for some reason (wrong shoulder). Also think you gotta stop watching broadcast angle only cause it seems to be limiting how you evaluate. Additionally what you call ordinary catches are him creating separation at the catch point. He hasn’t learned all the nuances of route running but making space to make a play on the ball translates from bball and he’s very good at it. So you say push off (lol penalty was on the defender) or routine when he just made it look easy cause he has good ability to get separation at the catch point. If I get time, I can do stills but I came away from your exercise feeling better than I did going into it. I saw many out of the ordinary plays.

Agree with much of what you wrote, but would note that Bernard had to beat out Tremaine Edmunds and Bishop has to be out Rapp (or Edwards). I think Bishop has a much easier task than Bernard did.

Had been meaning to look at this so thanks for adding here. Heres my quick list of beyond ordinary plays with a bit of why. I also don't highlight a few plays that were big chunk plays that were created by his physicality. Kids still learning the game as has been noted but I see him turn DBs around quite a bit already (wish we had all routes and not just broadcast views for most of these games). I did know that a lot of his work was in the screen game and am maybe a bit less excited for what he offers based on the video. However, I am more excited for him as a vertical threat after the video. Not sure FSU utilized him in a way to best showcase his talents. 0:08 separation at release (poor throw) 0:16 Run after catch 3:04 separation at release (poor throw) 4:38 run after catch 5:40 created separation at stem (drop) 6:02 separation 6:15 heads up uncover 7:04 turned safety around (poor throw) 7:40 game winner contested 9:20 one handed contested 10:53 separation 12:30 run after catch 12:40 cooks zone coverage 13:15 cooks zone coverage 13:45 contested catch 14:50 yards after catch 15:17 one handed contested TD 18:10 And the foul TD 18:42 separation at release (wrong shoulder throw) 21:08 separation and run after catch

750 was me eyeballing how much the average was for Round 1 and Round 2 and then multiplying by 2 (figured the total numbers, not per game was easier to work with). It is optimistic but I think the number of available targets justifies the expectation. First WR in Round 2 went to the panthers which has a very anemic offense. 8th WR overall went to the crowded Broncos WR room (7th in targets). The point of this exercise was to look a bit more broadly to get a better understanding of what to expect. You highlight two precise examples when others should also be considered (7th WR off the board, last WR of Round 1 had 900+ yards, 2nd WR of Round 2 had 750+ yards). I think adding in these 3 pretty relevant data points indicate its not "extremely optimistic." All 3 of those players went to good passing offenses and got 90+ targets. Do you think Coleman's opportunity is closer to Mims & Mingo or closer to Rice, Reed, Addison?