Billsfan1972

And have the Bills made the SB? This get's so old as it is a circuitous debate that all really revolves around one person, McD. 1. How much control does he have over the GM and thus drafting? 2. Is he too focused on the Defense? 3. Is he too Loyal to Frazier? 4. Can he coach in the moment? 5. What the heck happened those 13 seconds? 6. How has he helped the offense? 7. Is it McD or Allen responsible for these last 4 years? To some here they have this "fake" narrative (yes I'm going to exaggerate here) that he took over a 2-14 team in 2017 and with only a pair of pliers & chicken wiring took the Bills to the Playoffs singlehandedly and thus now has a pass to only get to the playoffs, because then you know it's just a crapshoot. Others think that with Josh Allen, he struck gold and has done not enough to develop or protect him and is too focused on the defense. 90% agree you can't fire him (nor should you) and some are convinced that he's run his course and what the Bills are left with is a competitive team, that with be one of the top 4 in the league, but they'll always be an excuse and something will always derail them.

Read the OP. I like her songs and was looking forward to seeing it (as I do most). It came off flat after what looked like a cool start and went nowhere. But you are right about how most people react. Everyone here wants AC/DC or Aerosmith. Last year was very good.

I doubt Prince or Springsteen lip-synced. I for one actually always am for the most part interested in the halftime show (may change if a Country act, though maybe Blake Shelton or Keith Urban could work) and the spectacle, but as said yesterdays was one of the worst I thought.

I was making a joke about the thread title and thinking it was about the fumble. I pointed out just how terrible it was. Wasn't meant to be a debate on Allen, more so to discuss just how bad a play it was. Obviously missing the nuance.

What does this have to do with Allen? I was pointing out just how terrible a play it was and yes stating after the year Allen had if it was him, it would have been discussed ad nauseum, but the announcers didn't even make a big deal about it. Take a look at the 4th comment in this thread when I did joke about "If it had been Allen". Start a new thread discussing Allen's to's, because there haven't been enough.😉

That was one of the worst turnovers I've ever seen (in running with butt fumble) and on the biggest stage and was glossed over.

And until this year Allen was incredible in the Red zone and then something happened.... Oh yea, coaching and play calling where many successful Red zone were the result of individual playmaking, not schemes or calls.

I thought this would be about Hurts Fumble TD, which hasn't been discussed enough and one of the worst plays I've ever seen. If that was Allen people would lose it about his issues "holding on to the ball".

Because I'm so invested and a fan of Allen, I completely ignore those threads. Does Allen have some warts? Yes, but since I question McD and place blame on him, I consider them all correctable.

I can, but maybe will make 2023 a little easier as I certainly thought 2021 & 2022 that the Bills were the best team (especially after the Bills dominated KC in the regular season in 2021).

Can't help yourself????? I came here & thought I'd ask about the halftime show as I was confused by it and the reaction, which online right after was wildly positive. But of course you need to turn it into an insult again. Never change.....

It was a 10 point game at half (missed KC FG) and yes Eagles controlled TOP, but a terrible fumble TD by Hurts really was actually part of the reason KC was flat as they were on the sidelines for so long. They punted once the first half and then the Eagles had the Ball for almost 11 minutes and then KC forced it near the half and ran only 5 plays. They just weren't on the field. Eagles punted once the second half. The difference was that KC got in a rhythm the second half. Eagles were not that flat, just things evened out.

And I will say it is one-sided with those generally very positive about the Bills, particularly McD supporters going after those who are more down on him. Yes there are a lot of passionate fans and some do post outlandish comments, but say anything negative about McD and hammer that point and you will be deluged with negative posts. Conversely post positive and complimentary thread and just take a look at how many positive reactions there are. Yes I am specifically "outing" eball, how supports much about the organization and has a 90%+ "approval" rating. Just this thread is here to suss out posters deemed "negative".

Yes appears so, but the whole production was flat. Reaction on the net and a Google search mostly positive.

Was asking reaction here as yes usually interested in seeing the halftime act as the Bills aren't playing. For all the hype it was one of the worst ones imo.

But looking at the reaction afterwards everyone was going on about how great it was.

I like her and fine when her songs come on the radio, but boy was that a nondescript halftime show. Then I go online and everyone's saying how wonderful it was. Am I missing something?

I am staying on this site way too long, discussing a game 2.5 weeks old, which while they never deserved to win, funny that I can point out a few plays and next thing you know it would have been a game, the crowd back in it and maybe too the players. With Allen, this team is still a SB contender next year and just about ready to pull the plug and sign off 'til September. I'm not a draft guy (of course follow it) or X & O's, again watch some film now and replay certain plays.

Something happened and there was a disconnect with Allen & the offense the second half. You could see it and not sure what it was. After the Pitt game, there were less long balls and then all of a sudden then there was a huge uptick & not sure what happened. Cover 1 I'm sure is correct, but something happened and either Allen was missing reads or coaching was flawed imo. I also mentioned that Allen seemed to be pressing as he felt pressure and often the Defense would allow those long drives and Allen would be overanxious when back in. I used the first NYJ game and 7-8 minute drives and Allen then wanting to score immediately. Bad timing....😉

Welcome back.... Wanted too to say my goodbye to you prior to my hiatus until September😉. I don't disagree, plenty of blame to go around. I talked about drops, but frankly was more bothered about the lack of contested or tough catches by the team. And don't disagree there either, but again I see coaching as part of the reason for the regression. I clearly think to the Minny game and that stupid 4th & goal, where even I wanted to kick a fg. Then OT when it looked like the Bills would salvage it and a TD. Plenty of options to get closer and a FD and when Allen threw it, it looked effortless and I was expecting a wide open receiver and a TD and instead a simple int. Allen hadn't done that since his second season. I was shocked. What I said too over and over is we never saw easy receptions or receivers running open/separation. Every catch seemed like it needed to be a perfect pass. Everything seemed a slog imo.

I actually did, as Dorsey called me after and confirmed it.....😝 That play bothered me (like many others), because there was still hope and I envisioned a Brady-like comeback and while a perfect pass, it was to Davis and we know what he is often want to do. Add to that Cincy played smart, no penalties and the Bills called for a #.

They made plays because the defense let them. They had 3 OL's out and the Bills had no pressure. Yes the Bills secondary was decimated, but how about making a play, stepping up or a defensive scheme that made it difficult for Cincy to get thnings done. It wasn't 2-3 plays, they moved the ball at will and had 30 first downs. Oh & no TO's. Not surprised because I thought they were not very good the second half of the season either and many were lucky or vs. bad QB's. On the Offensive side, the Bills as they had been much of the second half of the season were/looked disjointed. Again so many here claimed that wasn't the case when anyone brought it up and that Allen only had to protect the ball better. When they needed just 1 first down prior to the half to get into FG range (heck 5 yards), that should have been their goal and the play calls. First & goal the second half and 3 lousy calls by Dorsey. And to top it off again 3rd & 2 and a long pass to the one receiver we all know won't make a contested catch, draw a penalty and if at all covered probably drops it Davis, and exactly what happened.

17-0.... Playoffs will be a crapshoot.

I'm still a Bills fan and can only hope. Seems McD/Frazier are a package deal and pray the offense does enough to cover up their deficiencies.

Just letting my frustrations out. All good and yep know it's a game. Will see you in September.😗