Billsfan1972

Exactly what this thread alluded to. And this post within it. I understand the OP comments. Seems like the "poisonous" label come more from missing out on the super bowl, suspect coaching, bad drafting etc. For me the poisonous comment stems more from (a lot) of the board members sniping at one another. This board is supposed to be fun and to share thoughts about the Bills and football. Too many posters are determined to prove their thoughts and comments are always right, even if it means in-fighting with other members. Please loose the always right attitudes everyone! It's keeping many of us from wanting to share our thoughts in a fun, respectful way. Add to that people who think they are just "too cool" and post responses like above. I had an observation (and yes noted many times after the Cincy game, my displeasure over those two specific drives by the Bills), which I thought may spur some conversation and yes I did think was of interest and this is a message board and wanted to post. You guys never cease to surprise me. Keep it up.

Yesterday I noted in another thread and on Sunday with my friends I said the exact same thing as it was happening. The first half the Eagles pretty much were moving the ball at will and if not for a horrendous fumble were dominating. However it was 21-14 (KC one offensive TD). Cincy was doing the exact same with the score 17-7. KC get's the ball finally at the 2 minute warning and with the second half kickoff and this is when the game can switch. They actually bomb, 5 plays, a kick and Eagles have time (not enough unfortunately for them) and kick a fg and a 10 point HT lead 24-14. Buffalo exact same situation and actually are looking great on offense and effortlessly move to the Cincy 39 and then three lousy calls, a punt and down 17-7 at half. Now look what happened. KC is pissed, some changes at half and new found determination and score a TD in 3 minutes and it was a game. Buffalo came out moved the ball, but was laboured and first and goal inside the 10 and again 3 unmotivated plays later only 3 points to show for it. Now let's also not forget Philly on offense was fine the second half (they punted one time, which was returned 65 yards to the 5 yard line). Two games, almost identical situations and one team stepped up, the other did not.

Please clarify. Absolutely right a win is a win & style points don't count, but every week many expected things to get better and things to click and they never did. I was at the forefront concerned things were off and was told "Not to worry". The Bills I'm convinced were a 13-3 team, but maybe 11-5 would have lit a fire under them and the coaching to change things come the playoffs?

Yes us "malcontents" are out in force and have turned this place poisonous. I love the title of this thread and the OP and how upset he is that people post their thoughts on the Bills. During the year the Bills went 13-3 and those three losses were all mind numbing and really could be blamed on bad luck, bounces, coaching, play calls or situational awareness. But again after the bye week things slowly took a turn and some here noted that things were off and though injuries certainly played a part, the team kept winning, but in general did not seem to be playing at expected levels. And when those concerns were raised here, they were for the most part drowned out by the majority. So then came Cincy and yep what a clinker, but it affirmed much of what was said and commented earlier and yes the season and expectations dashed and as is want we crawled out from the woodwork and said "Told you so". No Cincy & KC are not head and shoulders better then Buffalo, so those who try and rationalize it I'll disagree. This is still a SB winning team and next year I hope all you "others" come here the second week of February and say "Told you so, Buffalo Bills SB Champions" Then I'll be the one to start a 2024 post saying how Poisonous this site is.....😉

The point of the show is that 90% of those watching the show have never seen these performers live so it is about the performance and putting.on a show. The chores and whole look was boring. However listening to these entertainment shows all are fawning. Ot was very boring and I'm fine with her music.

Huh? Please explain?

Agreed and maybe as said better to go into 2023 as just one of the SB contenders, as opposed to the favourite. But sorry 13 seconds was worse then anything (I canceled my SB party because of it). What the Cincy game did was unfortunately validate a lot of what many said was apparent from the second half of the GB game on and what McD didn't address or have answers for and in the Cincy game seemingly did absolutely nothing to turn it around. BTW let's compare that to yesterday and the exact same scenario. KC down 10 pts at half and failed in their two minute offense to end the half and they come out with urgency and score. They allow a FG and then score again. They came out of the halftime and reacted like champs and the Bills as stated in the same scenario were still in it and preverbally 'rolled over".

And I want the Bills to win the SB in 2023 9well February 2024), so yep win in spite of McD.......😉 Do you really think that Fans "Hate" McD more then their want for the Bills to win a SB?

Stop with the Process. Shaw you're one of the best people on here, thoughtful, intelligent, with an eye for the game, but have drank the McD Koolaid. He has invested way too much in the defense, got so lucky with Allen & added one offensive player in Diggs. The rest has been meh at best.

And have the Bills made the SB? This get's so old as it is a circuitous debate that all really revolves around one person, McD. 1. How much control does he have over the GM and thus drafting? 2. Is he too focused on the Defense? 3. Is he too Loyal to Frazier? 4. Can he coach in the moment? 5. What the heck happened those 13 seconds? 6. How has he helped the offense? 7. Is it McD or Allen responsible for these last 4 years? To some here they have this "fake" narrative (yes I'm going to exaggerate here) that he took over a 2-14 team in 2017 and with only a pair of pliers & chicken wiring took the Bills to the Playoffs singlehandedly and thus now has a pass to only get to the playoffs, because then you know it's just a crapshoot. Others think that with Josh Allen, he struck gold and has done not enough to develop or protect him and is too focused on the defense. 90% agree you can't fire him (nor should you) and some are convinced that he's run his course and what the Bills are left with is a competitive team, that with be one of the top 4 in the league, but they'll always be an excuse and something will always derail them.

Read the OP. I like her songs and was looking forward to seeing it (as I do most). It came off flat after what looked like a cool start and went nowhere. But you are right about how most people react. Everyone here wants AC/DC or Aerosmith. Last year was very good.

I doubt Prince or Springsteen lip-synced. I for one actually always am for the most part interested in the halftime show (may change if a Country act, though maybe Blake Shelton or Keith Urban could work) and the spectacle, but as said yesterdays was one of the worst I thought.

I was making a joke about the thread title and thinking it was about the fumble. I pointed out just how terrible it was. Wasn't meant to be a debate on Allen, more so to discuss just how bad a play it was. Obviously missing the nuance.

What does this have to do with Allen? I was pointing out just how terrible a play it was and yes stating after the year Allen had if it was him, it would have been discussed ad nauseum, but the announcers didn't even make a big deal about it. Take a look at the 4th comment in this thread when I did joke about "If it had been Allen". Start a new thread discussing Allen's to's, because there haven't been enough.😉

That was one of the worst turnovers I've ever seen (in running with butt fumble) and on the biggest stage and was glossed over.

And until this year Allen was incredible in the Red zone and then something happened.... Oh yea, coaching and play calling where many successful Red zone were the result of individual playmaking, not schemes or calls.

I thought this would be about Hurts Fumble TD, which hasn't been discussed enough and one of the worst plays I've ever seen. If that was Allen people would lose it about his issues "holding on to the ball".

Because I'm so invested and a fan of Allen, I completely ignore those threads. Does Allen have some warts? Yes, but since I question McD and place blame on him, I consider them all correctable.

I can, but maybe will make 2023 a little easier as I certainly thought 2021 & 2022 that the Bills were the best team (especially after the Bills dominated KC in the regular season in 2021).

Can't help yourself????? I came here & thought I'd ask about the halftime show as I was confused by it and the reaction, which online right after was wildly positive. But of course you need to turn it into an insult again. Never change.....

It was a 10 point game at half (missed KC FG) and yes Eagles controlled TOP, but a terrible fumble TD by Hurts really was actually part of the reason KC was flat as they were on the sidelines for so long. They punted once the first half and then the Eagles had the Ball for almost 11 minutes and then KC forced it near the half and ran only 5 plays. They just weren't on the field. Eagles punted once the second half. The difference was that KC got in a rhythm the second half. Eagles were not that flat, just things evened out.

And I will say it is one-sided with those generally very positive about the Bills, particularly McD supporters going after those who are more down on him. Yes there are a lot of passionate fans and some do post outlandish comments, but say anything negative about McD and hammer that point and you will be deluged with negative posts. Conversely post positive and complimentary thread and just take a look at how many positive reactions there are. Yes I am specifically "outing" eball, how supports much about the organization and has a 90%+ "approval" rating. Just this thread is here to suss out posters deemed "negative".

Yes appears so, but the whole production was flat. Reaction on the net and a Google search mostly positive.

Was asking reaction here as yes usually interested in seeing the halftime act as the Bills aren't playing. For all the hype it was one of the worst ones imo.

But looking at the reaction afterwards everyone was going on about how great it was.