Billsfan1972

Again discussed over and over, incredibly flat and coaches/coaching/playcalling didn't help. Let's hope November 5th (along with February 11, 2024) is circled on their calendars.

Mahomes was beyond bad and they blew it just before the half. As for Buffalo, the whole second half of the season despite the record just seemed off. Add to that the weather, off field issues, Demar just made things worse. Can go back and see countless threads discussing it and many scoffed at. As bad as the D was vs. Cincy, Allen and offense was nearly as bad.

But they looked all pro-bowl level vs. the Bills last year.

Throw out his rookie year and thank McD for the first 2 years and he is 99.28 in the last 3.25 years or #5......😉

These are simply observations. Gabe is great when the Bills win by 20-40 points. When the chips are down and the game is in doubt, is Gabe a good # 2 who will make that big/tough reception? I asked the question last year that outside Diggs, how many tough catches do the Bills receivers make. Waiting for that first contested grab on a long pass (yea yea, Gabe vs. Pitt last year is the only one I remember ever).

The top receivers are all about 9-10 and that better include Diggs. And this is Josh Allen a the qb. Quick stat 2022 Mahomes completed 265 passes to WR's, Burrow 242, Herbert 260, Hurts 231, Goff 233, Cousins 275, Brady 297 & Allen only 225. The Bills #1 weapon is Allen, use him.

Again not the point. What did he do in week one (two catches, four targets)? As the #2 stats should be better with Allen as the QB. Regardless as I pointed out he is right at his 2022 #'s, which weren't great.

6-10 Targets only????? Geez could you imaging how pissed any elite receiver would be with only 8/game? Should be a minimum 10/gm. As for Gabe, he has averaged 3 catches/game. 51 receptions for the year would have ranked him 75th in the league!!!!! But geez only 48 last year (33rd in yards). BTW Zay Jones had 82 catches last year.🤪 Need way more from him.

Two things.... Miami moved the ball, the Bills got the takeaways and last three possessions were TO's on downs. Their fan site is garbage and no one is on there in any case. Simple point is last nights KC/Jets game has 30 odd replies on the thread, vs. 900 here!!!!

The Turn Over (TO) numbers are not sustainable, but conversely I still see a lot more upside on the offense. Heck Gabe our #2 WR has only 12 receptions, TE room for improvement and Allen hasn't rushed too much yet either.

And Diggs broke a tackle. Cook was a result of Allen's ability to improvise. Here is a great site. https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-wr.php Diggs obviously is tops on the Bills, but this too is how his routes develop and how Allen's skills are utilized.

Just helping people who don't have a subscription to The Athletic. However duly noted.

Found it..... And yes was upset then and still am. Things can however change. Joe Burrow, Josh Allen or Justin Herbert? Which rising young QB would NFL coaches and execs take now? Mike Sando Jan 27, 2022 Three young quarterbacks soared toward superstar status as the 2021 NFL regular season concluded. Joe Burrow and Josh Allen continued their ascent with memorable playoff performances. The third, Justin Herbert, ranked behind only Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady in Total QBR during a second consecutive impressive season to start his career. Burrow, Allen and Herbert are three of the most exciting young players in the game. Each has shown enough to enhance his profile since entering the league, but none has played well enough for long enough to cement himself with Rodgers, Brady and Patrick Mahomes as the elite of the elite. Allen has grown into the role, emerging as a consistently dynamic force over the past two seasons. Burrow and Herbert have played only two seasons — Burrow less than that, thanks to a knee injury suffered as a rookie. Which one of these three rising quarterbacks would you take if allowed to choose just one? I posed that question to two NFL offensive coaches, a former general manager, one long-time evaluator, one younger evaluator, former NFL executive of the year Randy Mueller and The Athletic NFL Draft analyst Dane Brugler. The seven voters ranked the quarterbacks 1-2-3. The results are below, along with explanations. There was almost a tie at the top. Burrow, Allen, Herbert? Ballots, please VOTER BURROW ALLEN HERBERT Former GM 1 2 3 Evaluator 1 1 2 3 Coach 1 1 3 2 Coach 2 1 3 2 Evaluator 2 2 1 3 Brugler 2 1 3 Mueller 3 1 2 Avg Vote 1.6 1.9 2.6 1. Joe Burrow, Cincinnati Bengals Average vote: 1.6 Burrow was the surest bet of the three coming out of college. Any team would have selected him first. Allen and Herbert required more projection, for different reasons, which is why they were not No. 1 overall choices. “You can make a case for all three, easily,” one of the offensive coaches said. “My gut is it’s Burrow because he’s the best decision maker and he’s the toughest mentally, the most resilient, the best leader.” The Bengals went from zero playoff victories for 31 years to the AFC Championship Game in Burrow’s first full season as a starter. “I would take any one of the three, obviously — they are all impressive,” the other offensive coach said. “I just think Burrow has that little extra something. Maybe it’s because he has (Ja’Marr) Chase, but he was that was at LSU. He’s so accurate. He sees things so well.” Burrow was first on both coaches’ ballots. He was first or second on six ballots overall. Mueller’s ballot was the exception. He had Allen first, Herbert second. “Coaches want the processor and the most coachable of them all,” Mueller said. “Burrow is the highest level of instincts. To me, that’s why all these offensive coaches were in love with Mac Jones. I just want the best guy, the most talent that we can manage going forward.” Burrow edged Allen for the top spot because the two offensive coaches dropped Allen to third on their ballots, the only No. 3 votes Allen received. If those coaches had ranked Allen second and Herbert third, then Burrow and Allen would have tied at the top. “What Burrow is doing with that offensive line is impressive,” said the long-time evaluator, who had Burrow atop his ballot. “His eyes are so quick. He sees it like Brady, Peyton, Brees at their primes. It is almost like Joe Montana, seeing it that quick and delivering it accurately.” What about all the sacks, including nine against Tennessee in the divisional round? Mueller thought Burrow would always take sacks at a higher rate for a variety of reasons, including the Bengals’ roster construction. “You can get on him if you like for getting sacked nine times,” the former GM said, “but he is kind of like the general who said, ‘You know what, we are going to have to take some casualties here, men — I’m going to take some sacks, but I’m not going to turn it over and I’m going to get you 20 points on the board and they are going to beat the heck out of me.’ ” 2. Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills Average vote: 1.9 Mueller, Brugler and the younger evaluator all had Allen atop their ballots. “I think he’s John Elway,” Mueller said. “He does not have the body of work Elway has, but the skill set is so similar that it’s crazy.” Allen is ahead of Elway in at least one respect. He has 31 rushing touchdowns in 61 career games. Elway had 33 rushing touchdowns in 234 games. “To be to be a top-tier guy in today’s NFL, you need a superhero trait, and I think Josh Allen has a few of them with the way he can impact the game in so many different ways,” Brugler said. “It doesn’t come without concerns. He takes so many hits. He is more expensive than the other two guys. But if I’m just talking about the player and the guy that I feel most confident is going to lead my team to a chance at a Super Bowl championship, I’m going with Josh Allen.” One of the evaluators loved the way the Bills developed Allen: addressing his accuracy issues early while using his running ability as a complement rather than turning Allen into primarily a runner early in his career. “They did not say, ‘We have to be run-first to fix your arm second,’ ” this evaluator said. “They have done the reverse. They deconstructed his motion and improved that, so they can lean into the running when they have to, but he has done enough from a pocket standpoint that he can stand there.” Mueller said he thought accuracy concerns regarding Allen were always overblown. “Without being anchored to this position, I’ve never been a believer that this guy had inaccuracy problems that couldn’t be fixed,” Mueller said. “I could explain those things when he came out, so I’ve always been a little bit aligned behind that theory of, he just needs training, comfort level, processing and learning, and he’ll be fine.” Some expressed concern about what might happen in Buffalo if offensive coordinator Brian Daboll leaves and the system changes. “You’re going to have more ups and downs with Allen once his contract affects the talent around him,” one of the offensive coaches said. 3. Justin Herbert, Los Angeles Chargers Average vote: 2.6 Recency bias could favor Burrow and Allen following their strong performances in the playoffs. Not for Mueller, however. He had Herbert second, ahead of Burrow. “The hard one for me is Herbert vs. Burrow,” Mueller said. “I think Herbert’s offense holds him back. If you put Herbert in Buffalo, he is not wired the same as Josh Allen, but he could do a lot of similar things. Those are the athletes and that is where I yielded at the end of the day.” Both offensive coaches had Herbert over Allen, but behind Burrow. One noted that Herbert succeeded the minute he walked into the league, on a team that had question marks on the offensive line and a defense that fell off. “I think you look at what Burrow does above the neck, I’d probably just go Burrow second and Herbert third, even though Herbert may be the best thrower of them all,” an evaluator who ranked Allen first said. As retirement approached for Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers and others, it wasn’t always certain if the league would develop quarterbacks talented enough to replace them. Burrow, Allen and Herbert are easing those concerns. “What I love about all three is just how they’ve overcome so much,” Brugler said. “Josh Allen did not grow up going to quarterback camps where playing the position a specific way is ingrained at a young age. He learned organically and had just a very different upbringing and journey. He’s still learning, growing and evolving and becoming better. Joe Burrow went to Ohio State, so he was a big recruit, but he had to go somewhere else and do it. Justin Herbert, small hometown guy in Eugene, a quiet guy by nature, coming out of his shell. “There’s not a wrong answer here. You can really make the case for any of these guys.”

I remember an article in The Athletic and the debate who's #2 (after Mahomes) in 2022 prior to the season I think with Burrow, Herbert & Allen and being so frustrated that Burrow & Herbert were elevated to that status. Then the Jackson fans were indignant too. With Allen people want to find fault with him. Burrow is faultless in the medias' eyes.

Well Diggs should be the one upset, he only had 7 targets yesterday vs. 9 for Chase.😉

How many other games do Bills' fans watch and wonder why they complete so many easy passes and how open some receivers are. Meanwhile here every play seems to be a slog (yes hyperbole but a lot of truth).

Sorry almost every chunk play this year has been due to Allen's skill set. TD to Davis was a rope. A lame duck and it is broken up. The 40 harder too to Davis vs LV again improvisation by Allen. The 20+ yarders to Diggs because Allen buys time. If the game plan is bad, yep Allen you can see gets frustrated (along with Diggs). Let him play.

Next week vs. Jax I was excited for a morning start and then realized it is Canadian Thanksgiving and driving to MIL's for noon (90 minute drive). Now will maybe watch the first half and tape the rest (or stay pre-occupied the morning), ignore all other Sunday games and watch when back around 6:00. Was so looking forward to it.

I have complained about this consistently. Luckily though they did not saddle the Bills with night games at home or other cold weather cities in late November/December, which they do too often. Nothing worse then having to look at weather reports in November-January particularly late day games.

#Free Allen.... It was efficient and worked vs. an inferior opponent in LV, but red zone was bad. Washington was just okay, but really 16-0 going into the 4th and the Bills had 4 TO's and Washington gave it up on downs at the 2 yard line..... Running game stats padded by the last TD drive when the game was over. We have at worst the second best QB in the league and still don't know what to do with him. As someone else said, Jalen Hurts and the Eagles short yard sneaks/push should be a no brainer with Josh. How hard is that play to draw up and execute?

Talk about all over the place. Btw never said we place too much on Allen, frankly he's the reason the Bills can win the SB and when the reins or muzzle is put on him I'm not happy. Not a fan of telegraphed run plays.

Yep LV played right into McD's hands. Obviously McD set them up with those three calls.

Now I see that those runs were designed to make LV think twice in the 4th quarter. e get it the Bills steamrolled them. The Bills were down 7-0 and came out with 3 uninspired plays to start the game and it was all a ruse.😉 Again I was playing checkers and McD was playing Chess

Fake News = Trump & his Supporters????🤣

When anyone watching on TV with the Bills down 7-0 could see (and no I'm not a coach) that it was going to be a run the first two plays and no disguising it, that to me were two wasted downs and a 3 & out.