Billsfan1972

Casey is a perfect example. Come playoffs he crumpled. And now the Raptors too moved on from Nurse. They were an average team, not bad in 2016. Heck outside wins/losses they were better in almost every aspect.

I love when people say something like this. The 2016 bills went seven and nine and were in the playoff hunt until week 16(ot loss to Miami and Rex resigning fired). He took the 16th ranked offence to 29th and the defence was pretty much the same. Yep got some breaks and Andy Dalton got them into the playoffs. Then came Allen.

From a McD fan. I too think they'd be around 500, like they were much of the 19 year drought. Allen makes them a Superbowl team, however can McD get them there (or not get in their way). I hope he does.

Kurt Warner was bagging groceries (he was undrafted). Many QB's that were low draft picks have excelled under the proper coach.

Been a while since the word Culture has been used. It was overused and frankly was tired hearing it all the time. Rightly or wrongly I will continue to note that McD took over a perfectly functional offense and turned it into a bottom 3 one his first two years (marginally better year 3 @ 24th in the league). He is not an offensive mided coach and with Allen as the QB, that is not a good mix imo.

I don't care...... I watch the NFL every week and watch probably too much. However I don't do a deep dive into the coaches at all and sure I can't name 50% of them or know the new hot shots or best one's according to the experts. But I watch the Bills and frankly not overly enamored with McD. Of course I'll be told how wrong I am, but he took a perfectly functioning offense his first year coaching an turned them into a bottom 3 offense the next 2 years (same QB too).

Didn't they beat LAC this year (who were a playoff team last year). Like McD he made the playoffs his first year (and his QB missed huge chunks of time and the playoffs) with the same record and this year they look good. You like McD, I get it, however I don't agree with it.

Again here we go. Is McD's success due to his coaching or Allen as the qb? I think he was too slow in developing Allen (again jmho) and he still isn't playing to his full potential. Again some people here will die on the hill defending McD. I think he is a good coach, however he's done things on offense that are inexcusable imo (Peterman) and 13 seconds I can't forget (or forgive).

Drew really was the other example, but already showed he was a good QB prior to the trade.

Here at TSW the debate over McD and Allen and who is responsible for the Bills success is always a hot topic. There are those who hold McD in mythical regard as he resurrected a 2-14 franchise and is the saviour. Yes hyperbole (never were they 2-14), because I have pointed out many times that Buffalo was seldom really bad during the 19 year drought, just never good enough. I know I will hear just what bad shape the Bills were in due to salary cap and other issues when Rex left, but they were too a team vying for the playoffs his last year too. Is McD a good coach, I think he is. Is he great, I don't think so and thus I am one to say his success is basically due to having Josh Allen as the QB. I have also blamed McD for holding Allen back and we still have not seen what he is fully capable of. This is the divide on TSW.... The chicken or the egg so to speak. Some think the Bills success is a 50/50 split, some may give McD more credit for the Bills and others say it is 80% due to Josh. Now that brings me to the next part of the thread and we have been through all these highly drafted QB's and when a team hits the jackpot with one, they better cash in or else. It then occurred to me that all the busts (or those that didn't live up to the hype) never really blossomed on another team. Yes some back-ups and fringe starting QB's have done well with a change of scenery and better coaches, but has ever a top pick (ie. first 15) flamed out and then became a star elsewhere? Jared Goff maybe the closest and is the perfect example of what having a great OC means to a QB. Anyone else?

Not at all, just came to the thread late and not wanting to read 9 pages, where many of the arguments (mine included) have been stated before. Seeing you're in the pro-McD camp, not surprised you'd highlight my post.

Oh no not a McD is the greatest coach ever not to make a Superbowl or McD hasn't gotten the most out of this team and continues to not reach their potential. At least since a poll as expected 70/30 split as most here worship McD (yes sarcastic use of the word worship). And as expected when anyone questions McD the emoji's (reactions) are vomit, eye rolls, X's & angry I think he's wasting Allen's best years and stunted his growth early (# never forget Peterman 😜). Oh and #13 seconds.😡 Not reading 9 pages of "are you for him or against him".

What does that have to do with not running? Yes he's completing a lot and he is accurate. The issue is he is barely running and not taking advantage when there are plays there with his feet.

Through 6 games Josh has 22 rushes. He's been neutered. Comps Jackson 60 Hurts 63 Fields 47 Jones 38 Mahomes 29 Lawrence 33

The passes are almost all invariably very short of the 2-4 yard variety, thus to me no different then a run. Unless 6-8 yards+ down the field (or beyond the sticks) they mean very little to me.

I hope we find out vs. Cincy. If they don't look competent against their next three opponents, there is huge concern.

Oohhh you're so funny. Wow should take it on the road, with House.

No not 17-0, but yes I expect to be at the same level as the Chiefs as the Bills have a qb that rivals Mahomes, better receivers (starting with Diggs) and two (should be) productive TE's. We've seen too many posts and articles that the "window is closing". I don't believe it, but certainly expect coaching to be better and ensure they are right there. No excuses (unless JA is injured).

Again I've been through everything since OJ. The 4 SB appearances were great fun to witness and be part of. The down years not so much and usually hovering around .500 you yep ups and downs. Flutie and the playoffs were a rollercoaster (and the Rob Johnson debacle I'll never forget). Since then it was you never knew what you were getting week to week. Now the Bills have a transcendent QB, and sorry can't be laissez-faire week to week. Got to win now, so stupid losses like the Jets and Jax (and let's not go through 2018-2022 losses) bother me more. I want a NE style run (or KC now). Just the way it is.

And I'll bet you on the Chiefs board, even though 5-1, many are not happy with their play to date. As lousy as Cincy has been they're 1 game behind the Bills. Lamar & the Ravens have looked very good at times, but a crucial loss last week may cost them down the road. SF & Philly are undefeated and haven't had a hiccup yet (Philly vs. Commanders almost).

With this offense it is 3 chances to gain 10 yards+, but Dorsey is experimenting with 3 plays to get 10 yards and don't like it at all. I said this over and over after the Jaguars game that we gave away plays and weren't at all aggressive. The first two series were inept. Why after a 6 yard run do you throw a 2 yard pass to Diggs that was short of the first down and no chance of getting it. Then a dropped pass and punt. Possession two, lined up and everyone knew a run and stuffed for -1 yards, followed by two 5 yard passes and half a yard short. Completely unimaginative and again counterproductive. Then later after a 9 yard pass play another -6 yard run. Just get the first down and establish some rhythm. Thank you Dorsey.

I've looked at the 5 weeks in totality and the positives and negatives. I've pointed out some concerns, because yes I think these Allen years are the Bills chance to win Superbowls. Am I hypercritical about the HC? Maybe, but that doesn't take away from giving my opinions. The next three games should be laughers and the Bills better go 3-0. Yes I want 300 yard passing games and a sharp Allen doing things we've missed to date this season. The Defense I'd like to see get off the field. Cincy could right the ship in the next three weeks and yes that will be a "bigger" test. With high expectations I want to see 3 comfortable wins.

Can only imagine the headlines Monday with Daboll and Tyrod in the mix. As they say they write themselves. We could see a wounded animal like Denver vs. KC playing a decent game on defense and keeping it respectable and then some Fans/Posters here with a usual "Just Win Baby". Tyrod has a above average game and again McD fans defending the wounded Defense. Daboll dialing up some schemes and Allen a little confused and then the 50/50 back and forth whether it is Allen being reckless or Dorsey's bad play calling and offensive schemes. Yep I want like the Eagle's last year (& SF right now) or KC when they were going full bore to just blowout the Giants (and all their inferior opponents), but that too won't tell me much. See above I answered it already.

That KC continues to struggle scoring points regardless of opponents. Also the issues playing Thursday night. Next 4 weeks will be more difficult for KC.

You see the problem is the Giants & Pats are two of the worst offenses and Tyrod & Mc are no yardstick to measure the defense imo. Mayfield is a little better but TB is middle of the road at best and the Bills are home that week. The offense I won't be surprised if Dorsey goes to the dinks and dunks and running and Bills control games they should blow-out opponents, but frankly it won't say a whole lot. Of course if closer then need be, I too will worry. No win imo.😜 What did the Eagles do last year????? They were expected to be good, however went out and dominated. The Bills should do the same.