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Then why do you keep brining up their previous yardage as support for your argument that teams overpaid them? One of us realizes that teams properly evaluated those players and paid them accordingly. Obviously their performances with their new teams supports that.

Wow. This is pretty rudimentary stuff. I’m surprised to see you have so much trouble with it. You have a terrible misunderstanding of how NFL scouting works if you think pro personnel scouts simply look a WR’s previous yardage totals to determine their value. They look at film to determine how well that player is doing their job, independent of how those around them perform. They saw that Mooney, for example, was performing well even though his QB wasn’t and the offense he was in was a joke. So they paid him like a 1k WR - and lo and behold - that what he turned out to be for them in their offense.

You don’t think player performance projections for the coming season(s) is the biggest driver of their value? I sure do.

Ridley had over 1k yards in three of the last four seasons and was injured and out for most of the other one. Mooney sandwiched a couple 1k seasons - including in the one right after he got the contract - tho, right? Oh, and he was in an inept Chicago offense for those two seasons you pointed to. They do not compare at all to Gabe Davis. Try again.

I think pretty much everyone thought the Jags way overpaid for Davis last year. I literally laughed out loud about it when I saw the numbers. It would help the discussion if you looked at the actual market and not just a single outlier.

You can’t ignore the market. That doesn’t mean that you can’t take advantage of inefficiencies though. I’m certainly not saying that. I think we agree that we overpaid for Palmer. The fact that we signed him day 1 of free agency should tell us that was likely the case. I agree that we should avoid moves like that. Elijah Moore OTOH is a move I like a lot. Not because I think he’ll be an elite WR, but because we got him cheap and he has a chance to be far more productive than his contract would indicate. A major part of why we got that deal is because of Allen. Moore is willing to take less money to play with Allen so he has a better shot at a big payday next offseason. That’s the leverage we have and we should be taking better advantage of it. Look at the trade deals the Patriots got on players when Brady was there. We should be going harder after quality players at discount rates when available too. We haven’t taken advantage of that either. As for the RB market, there are only a few players worth a big premium and we don’t have one of those. There’s no reason to overpay at that position unless we can get a Barkley or Henry type talent.

The first issue is that you are ignoring supply and demand. Teams generally field 3 WRs and one RB per play. There are not 96 (32x3) quality starting WRs for teams to field, thus the price for them goes up as teams bid to acquire even enough starting caliber WRs to fill out their lineups. OTOH the supply of RBs that are starting caliber or who can be effective in a platoon is in excess of their demand. The Cook specific discussion should be had in one of the existing threads.

The Steelers have always been good at managing problem players like him. Plus the Burfict hit seems to have made his mental issues much worse.

I’ve heard rumors that some people - generally men - will offer drugs to others - generally women - so as to entice them to perform certain favors. Again, just a rumor.

The Eagles out-coached KC in the SB. And it was not close. While Fangio is every bit as good as Spags at DC, I don’t think that many of us thought Moore would out-coach Reid. But Reid’s game plan was trash while Moore’s was quite good. Reid stupidly ran plays that were easily covered by the scheme with which the Eagles had dominated all season. To make matters worse he didn’t change it up until the second half. By then it was too late.

Bengals are gonna Bengal

Patrick Wilson of Weezer wrote the song “In the Mall” about going to the local mall in his childhood. The mall he wrote it about was the Eastern Hills Mall in Williamsville/Clarence.

No really. He had 134 defensive snaps last season. 59 of them came in week 17 against NE. The remaining were mostly clumped in three other games, two of which were blowouts. So not a lot of meaningful defensive snaps. He did play a fair bit on Specials tho with 241 snaps. He seems to be a regular presence there. LINK

Yep. And the writer doesn’t understand the salary cap. Only $3.56M in pay and cap would go to a team that traded for Teller.

Yep. They’re on pace because they’re adjusting the PSL pricing to do so. Many people mistakenly think that factors such as construction overruns are impacting the cost of PSLs. That was never going onto be the case. The pricing was always going to be based on what the market would bear. The Pegulas were not going to leave money on the table.

Also if you’re looking for Joshua Palmer, he’s in the middle cluster just to the left of and slightly below Mack Hollins. At least we paid Palmer over twice what Hollins got tho.

Different times and a different CBA. Players pretty much gave up their ability to hold out in the last one. I could see him do a “hold in” however.

Yep. Unless a team wants to take a chance on him and extend his contract.

New Orleans would be a good fit for Pickett. Then need QB help and he has history with the new coaching staff there.

I have always wondered that. But my friend wasn’t one to lie about anything so I believed him. Also I know very little about anything that has to do with body building, steroids or what else that might be done just prior to a BB competition to gain an edge. Maybe something else was going on and he misunderstood it. Or maybe some meathead body builders mistakenly thought it would help them. Dunno. I’ve lifted most of my life and been in a lot of gyms. I’ve seen enough huge guys with severe acne, yellow eyes and rage issues to stay tf away from that crap.

I didn’t say he was particularly good at all WR aspects. You’re right, he’s not. But problems releasing off the LOS is a reason some WRs get moved to the slot, which helps cover up that issue to an extent. When defenders get their hands on Kincaid, he isn’t strong or savvy enough to break away quickly. It’s probably worse for him that he’s listed as a TE since refs seem to allow more contact with TEs than WRs. My point was more that he is a poor blocker - abysmal coming out of college and still below average - and as such he doesn’t give an offense the advantage 2 TE sets typically give in the run game. So your point is well taken. If he isn’t going to be an effective blocker he needs to make up for that by being a very good receiver. He's never going to be fast for a WR, so he’d better get stronger or more savvy.

This was MANY years ago when I was in college. A friend, who was absolutely jacked, told me how he used to power lift, then tried body building. He went to his first BB competition and saw a bunch of the competitors juicing in the locker room. He wasn’t going to do that so he gave it up.

Yeah, it’s crazy how many supplements are tainted by so many companies, how many millions of dollars that costs athletes and how there are never any lawsuits against the manufacturers of those supplements.

Honestly, if he’s the best QB on the roster, then he is ready for the field. It’s not like Flacco can’t be competent. If he has things he needs to fix first, then he’s not currently the best option. On that point, the Browns coaches would know where he stands better than some fan on a message board. On that note, my opinion of the situation is informed by a little inside knowledge. the team is working to clean up a couple mechanical issues that show up at times. Nothing major, but you would not want to play him before cleaning them up. Maybe it happens by TC and he shines and is the week one starter. Maybe it takes longer.

Only word on if the Bills are forcing Hoecht or Ogunjobi to room with Kincaid?