Kirby Jackson

With the 93rd pick, the New Orleans Saints select, Savion Williams, WR, TCU. We have our QB, and someone to protect him, now we get someone to catch balls from him. We take the physical freak in Savion Williams to be a big target to help Shadeur jumpstart his career. We’ve done well with the versatile, 35 year-old, Taysom Hill. Now we add another former QB with similar traits that can fill that role moving forward as Taysom is in his last season. We are thrilled to add him to the team. @Motorin' and the Cleveland Browns are on the clock.

With the 71st pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints select, Marcus Mbow, OT, Purdue. We added our QB earlier and are happy to add a versatile OL to play in front of him. @GunnerBill and the Chicago Bears are on the clock.

Well said! That’s the larger point. We have a lot of good players and very few elite players.

Just doing it based on this mock. He was here. It’s like anything, you have no idea who will be there in the real draft. I agree on your thoughts as to how this went. @MrEpsYtown mentioned it earlier in one of the threads. We tend to overdraft guys that we’ve been talking about. It’s not unrealistic though the way this has fallen. It was more of an observation that when you prioritize need at one position vs. BPA (pretty much anywhere but QB & OL) you’ll end up with more talent on the roster. In this situation we drafted a good player in Amos but left a better player on the board. That started the trickle down. Watts was BPA in my opinion but not as big of a need. Now, we may reach on a guy that could go a round later because of need. We talk so much about BPA vs. need and then when given the same challenge, we went need first. 🤣🤣

If the Bills start Amos, Watts, Farmer, 75% of TBD will be calling for Beane’s head 🤣🤣. We screwed up the 1st and couldn’t dig out the way that the board fell. Nolen, Porter, Bond > Amos, Watts, Farmer

I voted Bond. Prior to last season he looked like he would be a 1st. He has a skillset that the Bills still need and plays a position of dire need. I don’t think Farmer is great. Obviously the Bills have spent a lot of time with him but that’s not a reason to take him. Bond to me, is the best player, at a position of need. Beyond that, his skillset within that position is the skillset that the Bills need as opposed to another 3T.

Miami, to me, is still probably the 2nd best team.

Not following the point?

4th in YAC is great; it resulted in the 84th most YPC. That’s the point!! His routes are designed for YAC. He’s tough and has elite hands. He’s really good after the catch. I’m not overrating that though because when you catch screens and other short routes you should have more YAC, than Josh Palmer, for example who is catching the ball down the field. Shakir is good at what he does. He’s a role player not a difference maker.

He’s overrated because he’s the Bills top receiving option. I’m not sure that this is confusing? If you look at him through the lens of the slot, I agree. There are HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of posts on this board overrating him. He’s a great slot, as is Taron. That’s not as important as someone on the outside (unless you’re Amon-Ra St. Brown). Shakir is a role player, and a good one. He should absolutely, 100% not be the top receiving target on a championship type of team. The Bills have acted if that’s okay to this point. Now, his extension is a good one and commensurate with the level of player that he is. $15M AAV is what a good complementary piece, at a less important position makes. I am in no way disparaging Shakir. He’s a top 10 player on this team and arguably a top 5 player at his position. He’s a great role player. He absolutely has become overrated to Bills fans as was Mack Hollins (who is just a guy) and Ty Johnson who is another quality role player on a good contract. We shouldn’t confuse important pieces with difference makers. Shakir isn’t a difference maker. He’s a rich man’s Beasley. Where would you rank Coleman and Palmer as a boundary duo? I don’t think that they are top 30.

To Bills fans… He is very good!! There are 25 teams that have a better top receiving option than Shakir. That’s not his fault. He’s really good at what he does. He’s still a 76 catch, 821 yard WR that scored 4 times. That’s 40th in yards, 27th in receptions, tied for 62 in TDs, 38th in targets and 84th in YPC. He’s Robin and some treat him as Batman.

I think you’re making his point (and I like Shakir a lot). He’s a top 5 slot receiver. Bills fans sometimes act like he’s a top 10 receiver. He’s a more explosive Beasley. Shakir is a high end role player. He’s not an elite receiver.

100% agree. You always take the better player. The biggest need is CB but it isn’t the only need. The irony is that the round 2 poll is the exact same thing!! Do you draft the bigger need in Farmer or the better player in Watts? We went bigger need in round 1.

Great topic!! Overrated by hardcore TBD types: Rousseau Underrated by hardcore TBD types: Dorian Williams Overated by the general public that doesn’t know the Bills: Kincaid Underrated by the general public that doesn’t know the Bills: Josh Allen (if that is too obvious Spencer Brown)

This is why I think that these threads are the best on the board all year. For months we have been talking about a CB & DT early along with edge and WR. Here we are doing it and started with the CB. Just before the Bills picked, the next 2 “targets” went off the board. Maybe you’re onto something in that people draft who they are familiar with because they are Bills targets but it’s also realistic. There haven’t been a lot of “reaches” at this point. There rarely are. Generally the board does a pretty good job with these. Now if the draft fell this way, I can’t imagine the Bills would be thrilled. In hindsight it should have been Nolen and Porter. With that being said, if the Bills went DT in the first, I suspect TBD, unintentionally, may have had a run on CBs instead of DTs. Either way, it’s super interesting and is a great reminder to go BPA at any position with some need before drafting to fill a spot and then BPA later.

Lol, this is the second time that I commented and missed a guy going. I’m an idiot. I’ll just 🤐

This feels like it would be Landon Jackson but I didn’t see him. The Bills clearly like him. It’s a tough spot because some of the big run stuffers are off the board. I don’t want to reach for need again. I voted Watts because I think he could be like Poyer or Hyde. I like his game a lot and it’s an important part of the defense. I don’t think Bishop is good so Watts is an upgrade. If Bishop is the guy that they think Watts and Bishop is the new Hyde and Poyer. If not, Rapp is serviceable and can play with him and keep Bishop as the 3rd.

Yeah, that’s kind of where I’m at. Most like Harmon over Grant. They are both good players but Harmon is further along. It’s not really a controversial decision. Now, if he said that he liked Kaleb Johnson over Jeanty, or something like that, it would be controversial.

If I told you who told me this story it would elicit a 🤦🏻‍♂️ emoji. 🤣🤣 The Bills often tried to outsmart everyone in how they did their business. They saw Barron as this hybrid LB/DB that would change the way defense was played. They saw Mike Williams as the prototype of an NFL tackle. They liked Maybin over Orakpo because they would be able to harness his athelticism and overlooked production. They liked Spiller because he was a “water bug” (or whatever they called him). They wanted Kelvin Benjamin because he was “open when he wasn’t.” Some of that still lives today. I’d prefer that they just take guys that are good than trying to outthink everyone else. This of course excludes taking a chance on Josh Allen. I love it when it works. 🤣

To add some color on the 2012 draft, the Bills tried DESPERATELY to trade up to draft Mark Barron. They thought that they had a deal worked out. They were FURIOUS when it fell through and he went off the board. They “settled” on Gilmore and obviously he ended up as a way better player. We often complain about the deals that fell through (ie the trade up with the Jags to get Big Ben) but sometimes you end up lucking out like the Bills did with Gilmore + picks over Mark Barron.

Lol, I went back through it and missed it. 🤦🏻‍♂️ With the 40th pick, The New Orleans Sants select Azareye’h Thomas, CB, Florida State. Corner is our biggest need. Thomas is a long and physical corner that will contribute early. We see him as a day one starter and important piece of our future. @GunnerBill and the Chicago Bears are back on the clock.

It sounds like we are mostly on the same page. Do not overthink it with fit/need. You have multiple needs. Talent should be the driving factor and everything else comes after that. Talent at a position that has some need regardless of “fit” is the answer.

We talk about it a lot but the Bills lack high end talent. Oliver COULD be a top 10 DT and has played to that level at times. I see no value in dumping him to save some $ in hopes that Nolen becomes that. I think that the Bills rotate so much that it doesn’t matter that there’s overlap. I love your idea of an elite 3rd down interior pass rush. It feels a little bit like that old Giants NASCAR package that gave the Patriots such a hard time.

This is dumb for New England 🤣🤣

I’m always fascinated by your line in the sand on this. As a hypothetical, if by some miracle, Jhadae Barron or Will Johnson fell to 30 would you be okay with it? They are both top 10 talents in this draft and play the 1 starting position that’s definitely available. Would you still be in the “hell no” category or does the value of the player make you comfortable enough?