Kirby Jackson

Up: Kincaid Prater Pass Protection Down: WRs Coaching Pass Rush DBs I almost want to exclude the DBs and WRs because they just aren’t good. I’m not sure that they’re “down” as much as they’re “not good enough for a team with championship aspirations.” Josh had all day to throw. Guys were blanketed and he wasn’t seeing the field well yesterday. This was not his best game but I hesitate to hold too much against him. The same goes for the running game.

Payton is 9-9 in the playoffs. One of those losses was that Denver team last year that isn’t good. So he was 9-8 with Brees. That’s similar to McDermott. He has a Super Bowl title and was robbed of a 2nd appearance with the worst call in history. If they throw the flag on NRC, and the Saints go to a 2nd, he walks into the HOF. He’s a bad guy but the thought of people around here that McDermott > Payton is WILD to me. You need to win when it matters most. He’s done that. The Bills would 100% have a Super Bowl title (or a few) by now if it had been Sean Payton instead of Sean McDermott. I’m not here to dwell on Sean Payton though. That ship has sailed. The point is, lots of people could win 1-2 playoffs games a year with Josh Allen. That’s not good enough. That’s not the goal.

If you take away, the worst call in NFL History (literally voted the worst call ever), he plays for a 2nd and likely wins it. Payton turned around a doormat in Denver and had a crazy run with Brees. I’d take 1 (should be 2) Super Bowls and a couple of missed playoffs over getting bounced by KC every year. The goal is to win a championship -period. It’s not about being competitive for a lot of years. You’re in year 8 of Josh Allen as your QB. You’ve never even played for a title. That’s a failure. You cannot continue to let years tick off his career. The window closes some each year that he doesn’t get there.

100% agree. It was how the Panthers operated too. They need to stop asking Josh to make bad players better and allow Josh to maximize his unique ability with talented pass catchers. Fantastic post

He’s just not very good. This is who he is. If people expected more, it wasn’t based on his skillset, it was based on hope. It’s honestly not his fault. He works hard and has a great attitude. This is the exact guy he was on film in college. Expecting him to be someone that he wasn’t was the issue.

Well, it’s not going anywhere but they shouldn’t play it without the lead. Last night was awkward.

I have been on record, for a few years, that I’m not as concerned about the who. I advocated for Sean Payton before he went to Denver. I’m of the belief that, pretty much any quality coach (and GM) could do what this regime has with Josh Allen as QB. I no longer accept, “it’s hard to win in this league” when KC bounces you in the playoffs. You have to find a way while you have that unicorn at QB. You may lose another game or two in the regular season because you aren’t as organized but, in exchange, you may not pee down your leg when facing Reid/Mahomes/Spags. I’ve been a Beane defender for a while. Since Schoen left, he’s done a lousy job. His philosophy is flawed. It isn’t flawed that you build the lines first. It’s flawed in that you should arm Josh first not continue throwing assets at the trash DL because you failed at building it. His failure at WR was on full display last night. Forget about guys that can block like Hollins or Coleman or Shavers and focus on guys who can get open!! Josh will get them the ball. I am frustrated today.

Just to be clear, no one thinks that Gabe Davis solves the Bills glaring need at WR. What some of us think, is that Gabe can get down the field and make some big plays. Josh always looked for Gabe when the play broke down and he rolled out. These 2 things Gabe does better than anyone currently on the roster. This is more of an indictment on that WR room than it is praise for Gabe.

My dad and I talked about it last night after the game. Pretty much exactly what you said…

It’s insane!! The sheep defended it all offseason. They’re horrible and it hasn’t mattered yet. It may not matter today either. That doesn’t mean it’s acceptable. To this point they’ve been a nightmare

They are AWFUL!! Blanketed

I promise I’m not going to beat a dead horse, but the Bills lousy WRs are a problem.

Forget about Keon. It’s always a low percentage throw because he’s blanketed!! Guys run the route for him. That was a bad decision from Josh. He had someone underneath and could have run for it.

It’s more confidence in the outcome. I’ve done well betting on the Bills over the years. I don’t bet a lot of money but hit at a high percentage. When you follow a team this closely you have a good sense for what they’ll look like most weeks. I haven’t bet their results this year until now (at least I don’t think). I have bet some props and over their own point totals. Today, I also have them ML, Kincaid 4+ catches, Kincaid 40+ yards and Allen 2+ pass TDs.

That’s where it was. It ended up as defensive wounds. I still have a pretty big scar but not as bad as it was. I was extremely fortunate.

Fair but I’d say it’s more service than business. Scott’s the man Great answer

Lol, I love these threads. 🤣🤣 One of the funniest things on social media is when people complain about businesses making more money. 🤣 Can someone please share with the group which businesses AREN’T trying to make more money?

Long story, a giant fight broke out at a party, I got stabbed during it, a friend was hit over the head with a bat, much more chaos. The guy went to prison for a long time. He was apparently the prime suspect in a murder at the time with a hatchet. They added attempted murder from our situation. He may still be there. I stopped paying attention like 15 years ago. That’s the really short version.

I think that they are both bad. I like Cleveland’s defense and plus money.

Not to make this about me, but I feel pretty confident that I’m the only board member that’s been stabbed. It was May of 2003. Don’t ask but I just feel like I need to share that with y’all.

I picked 1. I think they’ll force the ball to him a little and the Bills can be thrown on. I have the Bills by a few scores.

Well apparently it was confusing. I have some action now at -8.5. It’s tied to a Round Robin as well (Cleveland ML, Denver ML, Giants/Saints O, Cowboys/Jets O). I bet it straight as well. I’ll be making more bets tomorrow too. In terms of total investment, I don’t know where it’ll be but I put my money where my mouth is. I also have a substantial bet on the Bills to win the division. Don’t just talk about it, be about it

I feel like most defenders actually love Josh Allen he plays with a “football mentality.” He talks $**t and doesn’t back down. They all respect him. The only guy that doesn’t like him is Christian Wilkins and I think that’s because he’s in love with him.

I didn’t sign up for it. It just came. We do have seats in the new stadium but don’t think this is tied to that. I’m assuming that will be something different next year as we go in. For the cost of the PSLs I’m expecting something significant.