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That goes against the narrative that it was impossible to trade up because the Colts didn't want out of the top 6. Like I said, if the colts did give him a chance and he passed, the future will tell if that was a smart or dumb move. Hindsight is 20/20, but he is supposed to be ahead of the curve. I agree we shouldn't directly criticize him until we see the results, but we have quite a knack for rewriting history to say it was an "impossible situation" or the oft quoted "hindsight is 20/20" and "couldn't have known". Just putting my opinion out there before all of that.

Not really aggravated at the discussion, just need the draft to get here. I don't disagree with some of your points but I do disagree that he can't get emotional about the QB. I don't think emotional is the right word though. I think determined is more like it. The QB position is undeniably the most crucial part of an NFL team. Beane should be determined to get the guy he wants. If he wants Rudolph then fine. If he wants Rosen, then he should not be worried about moving up. He should not settle for his 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th choice because that is likely to end up being the wrong choice. (unless he is extremely lucky aka Belichick).

They are preparing a tank of epic proportions, and will be doubling up on all 6 of their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders by trading them away for picks in 2019. Then in 2019, we are going to trade our 4 1sts, 4 2nds, 4 3rds to move up to #1, because we still ended up 8-8.

1. Moving up to 6 or 7 will not cost many of our picks. But now I see you are suggesting either reaching for Rudolph/Jackson, or trading up from 22nd for one. 2. Trading up to 2 will cost a few picks. The line problem (if there is one, since Beane seemed to play hardball with Incognito anyway), will not get vastly better with 1? of those picks used for it. (1 QB, 1 OL, 1 LB, 1 WR?) 3. Beane should be putting himself in the position to pick whichever QB he has determined will be the most successful candidate. Not whatever QB is convenient to our offensive line situation. 4. The god damn QB position should not matter less because of the offensive line. And I quote "the differences between the 5th QB in the draft and the 7th are getting less". That is not how I want a QB. "Eh, any of those 3 guys will do." 5. This is very aggravating.

What could possibly go wrong with not prioritizing the QB position? It's not like there would be a continued lack of success for the organization over decades...right? I am just posting because I want to be part of this when it is quoted for the absurdity it is, and the posters who supported are outed next year. Don't forget, don't dare draft a QB either. You wouldn't want him to get hurt!

Who are you trying to protect with the offensive line when you don't draft a QB? Once again, if Beane knows his guy is one of the top 4, he should not hesitate to trade up. He should by no means "settle" for Rudolph or Jackson because the O-line has holes. That is ridiculous logic.

While that guy was way overboard, the truth is that Beane better get this right with whatever plan he has, because the Jets definitely outmaneuvered us, and if we come out of this without a solid QB, and the Jets do? Then there is some blame to lay at our GMs feet. People will give him a free pass and say it was impossible to beat the Jets to the punch but it really wasn't.

Yeah, there was absolutely no way in the history of NFL trades that we could have made that work for the Colts. Its only impossible to you because it didn't happen that way.

All I hear is "whaaaaaaa, it was too hard for Beane to orchestrate a trade that would accommodate the Colts needs" Revisionist history. I hope it isn't forgotten that the Jets beat us to the punch the day after Beane had a press conference saying he hasn't looked closely at the QB prospects yet. For the record, I don't believe him about that, but its just a bad look all around when you have fans like this saying it was impossible to move up.

But your point is that you don't want them to trade up if they are wrong, and if they can get a successful QB by not trading up then great! But the problem is that no one really knows who will be "the guy". The top 4 have been evaluated to go first for many reasons, if Beane identifies one as the guy he wants, he isn't going to want Rudolph at 22 or whenever. He is going to want X guy at X time. So once again it isn't about picking a QB, it is about picking the RIGHT QB, and Beane has a lot on his shoulders to get this right.

If they got rid of kicks all together it would make the 3 and outs which are downers more exciting but the scoring would go up which would probably be bad.

Can we get McDermott out there to pass the football then?

AAFL or AAF. I am interested to see a new league and what it will do. Maybe it crashes and burns, maybe it doesn't. I wonder what cities they will be in.

Again, those odds are still greater than all other means of finding a QB, so it makes sense to take a shot at those guys over a 4th round guy that EVERYONE missed. Again we are not trading up because they are first round picks. We are wanting to trade up because those are the QB's that have been evaluated to have the greatest chance at being successful in the NFL. And no I disagree with your theory about late round QBs. Those ones you named are the few amongst dozens that have flopped. There are tons of backups and late rounders that have been given real opportunities in this league. A lot of them flop, and a few succeed. For example: Tyrod Taylor Geno Smith Brock Osweiler Tom Savage TJ Yates Austin Davis Case Keenum Mike Glennon Colin Kaepernick Brian Hoyer Ryan Fitzpatrick I could go on, and on, and on. The odds are not better with the castoffs. Edit: I cannot believe we are actually arguing that you are more likely to find a successful QB in the 1st round than a late round / undrafted pick. I mean really guys?

Would you trade 2 quality starters at any position for a quality starting QB? I mean you guys shift the goal posts here. When you talk about filling out the roster you are overly ambitious about their contributions to the team. To the point that not having these players will be a detriment to the team for years to come. When you talk about the QB, he is just "1 kid who may not work out". So how big of a detriment to the team would it be if this "kid" is successful on a high level, and we passed on him? I mean you consider the detriment of not having the hole fillers. Why would you not consider the detriment of not having a starting QB? Because I can promise you, missing on a starting QB is going to be a lot more devastating than not drafting a LB and a WR one year.

There are quite a bit "fill the holes" and "trade back" people on this board, and a horde of threads with that mindset. I don't see why you think you are being persecuted.

I disagree. When the Bills pick a player, the board usually gets behind that player and hope it pans out. There are usually a few crusaders, but the board tends to coalesce around Bills decisions. That may have changed when the other board closed and we got a ton of new members, but there was a ton of support for EJ after he was drafted, and there was a ton for Taylor. The more we saw them play the more we spoke out against said players.

Pick 6 Overall through 2nd round has a 88% bust rate. You just decreased our odds of getting a legitimate QB by nearly half because you feel as though this team would be incomplete without 3 maybe 4 players, only 2 of which we could count on as being day 1 contributors. I surely hope Beane picks the right QB whoever it is and how ever he does it, but this talk of odds and filling holes instantly is a two way street, and you are often framing it as disproportionately easy to just fill these holes and play it by ear at QB. If Beane knows a QB he wants, he should have no qualms about moving wherever he needs to obtain that QB.

We won't be higher than pick 10 after the 2018 season. I can't imagine the sick feeling I'll have if we go into 2018 with AJ and Peterman, and then look to see how we can get a QB in the 2019 draft. Ugh. Missed opportunities. Get. It. Done. Beane.

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We can only pray they are that dumb.

1st round QBs hit at a much higher rate than any of the other rounds combined, because they are evaluated to be the best prospects. So if we don't want to take that chance, then what's the plan? Wait until we get a top 3 pick naturally? Doesn't that mean losing anyway? You guys keep thinking we will run or luck into a QB at some point, but its been 18 years. Come to terms with the fact that it isn't going to happen. We need to reach out and take one, and hopefully Beane is the right GM to identify the QB that will be a success.

You are largely overplaying that factor, and underplaying a player's desire to go somewhere where they will have a chance to prove their abilities to 1) get a big payout and 2) get fame and recognition. Not to mention the vast majority of NFL Cities could be called about as undesirable as Buffalo, and we don't see a consistent trend of players going to Miami, or LA. It evens out pretty well. The "club" factor in free agency is such a poor excuse.

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Isn't there some rumor Rosen doesn't want to play for the Browns? Still a hot commodity. That secretary must love telling that story though haha. "I was the reason that Jim Kelly went to the Houston Gamblers for a few years instead of the Bills"