ExiledInIllinois

Good point! I saw that. Wasn't sure if start of fumble had to be on ground. ?? I am not blaming refs. Just looking for definitive clarity. They originally had a more favorable spot.

Yes. If he was in control with left hand when right touched. Was he, I think you said yes. What caused him to lose control here: Neither hands on ball. The ground when his right hand hit. I could postulate he wasn't in control before he his right arm touched. That's what they called on field, in real-time first...

IFF he was in control of ball with left hand when right arm touched, then YES, they made right call. If no, he wasn't in control of ball, then Allen made the first down. Remember... The on-field spot was that he made it.

So he was in control of the ball here: But NOT here a split second later: Did the ground cause this fumble? Both arms are splayed wide open ball in middle of his chest crossing first down line while everything is still IN bounds. Maybe they got the original call right on the field in real time? ??? Just answer the questions. Was he in control of the ball (with his left hand only) when his right elbow, forearm touched: He obviously wasn't a millisecond later: Did the ground cause the fumble when his right arm touched... Causing his totally independent left hand to lose control of ball?

😆.. If he was fumbling and NOT in control of the ball when his right forearm, elbow initially touched, then yes... He made it. If Josh was in control when his elbow, right forearm touched, then NO, he didn't make it. And BTW... @Gugnyis a hack troll. 😆 I would never outwardly troll.

SO he was in control of the ball here:

Remember... They overturned the original ruling on the field and placed the ball back. Was Josh in control of ball when his arm went down or was he NOT in control and already in the act of fumbling it? The ball is in bounds, shoulders, helmet inbounds till the ball crosses first down line. Yes it is. Same progression. A split second later in the sequence.

Let's play this game. Say Josh was in the act of fumbling it here and ground didn't cause the fumble... Which here, they ruled Josh was in control of the ball here: Where do they spot the ball? The ball didn't go out, Allen didn't go out until the ball was over the first down line: His shoulders, helmet, ball are all still inbounds right here above... The ball is NOT controlled and is being fumbled from before any body part but his hands and feet made contact with ground... ...Where would you put the ball? Hypothetically had they ruled he was in the act of fumbling, or failed to control the ball before his right arm touched.

Yeah... But it went out of bounds spotted making the first down. Was it a fumble? Did he have control when his arm hit? If not, they spotted ball wrong.

Yes. But once he crossed the LoS, he can't (can, but may not) throw it. It would be an illegal forward pass. He crossed the Rubicon so to speak... I would have lost my mind had he made that brain fart.

But the fumbled ball went out past the line. Hmmm... IF he fumbled it... It went forward before going out. Should have been a first down in that case. IF he lost control and fumbled it. Can a player fumble a ball forward out of bounds, I think they can. Was he controlling it when his forearm, elbow touched... ?? IF NOT, then the ball was spotted wrong.

When Josh had the pass tipped and had to bat it down dead... The play-by-play guy called Josh: "Tannehill"... Something like: "Good heads-up play to bat the ball down by Tannehill!" Never apologized, or caught himself. Just moved on to more Tennessee ball washing! 😕

The same ESPN that kept claiming no Buffalo take over of the stadium... Except every time Beasley caught it, Nissan Stadium erupted in a chorus of: "Beeeeez!" 😆

Yup. In the moment! Ref Crew was very slow and disorganized all game. Seem like they were taking direction from their aliens 👽. 😆 How Da Hell do Bills draw these clown week after week?

Supposedly the call was changed by booth necessitating no review. Or I guess that was the review?

Yeah... Can't figure out how to change ! to ?. 😏... Maybe it will suck people in and then I will pound them with my magnanimous attitude. 😉😜

😆... Who says I am dieing on it. Nice to get clarification. Bills were 4-2 @ this point last year, finished 13-3.

Hypothetically, could he have fumbled the ball forward, out of bounds before he touched that elbow?

Is he considered down here?

Was it really! He's controlling the ball here. Both shots are at same point.

Here's the other angle of the above shot I first posted.

This is their red line. I didn't put it there. Josh was still fully in right at this moment. Why they didn't go to official review (under 2 minutes) is a mystery: At least review it... When he rolled his shoulders and squared them down... Both are in. His helmet is in on this shot! I have the other angle and will post it shortly...

Let alone the $$, flexible schedule, trainer, cook/dietician, ability to sleep well... etc... Put him on a swing-shift, see how he does. More power to him... Not making excuses, but now you see why social media can create all sorts of issues.

What the ***** kind of stupid ***** poll is this? Did the Sunday Night announcing crew put you up to it? Collinsworth you dumb *****... Why don't just shut the ***** up... Admit it, you hate the ***** Bills... And Al, you piece of *****, do even know who Josh Allen is? No... It's ***** gray. 😉 😜

Study this: Final exam on Monday @ 08:00, Room #2, your proctor: @BringBackFergy Name the Waterway. ^^^ 😆