Jauronimo

Here is what 50 people are all trying to explain to you. The "Safe" signal is not recognized as "giving himself up". He still could have taken off and returned that ball for 6 at any moment. And the CORRECT ruling on the field in that event would have been a touchdown. The officiating crew simply folded under the pressure of making such a meaningful call in a playoff game. Likely because similarly sloppy BS was let go during the year but the reasons are irrelevant. They abandoned the rule book and review protocol and opened up a pandora's box of "common sense". But you and others can sleep soundly knowing we don't have the pressure of playing next Sunday due to "technicalities" like a literal interpretation of the rule book.

Except, the no return sign is only a signal to his own players and not recognized by any NFL rules as "giving yourself up". There is no judgement on whether the return man met any of the criteria to give himself up, which has been explained to you about a dozen times. The refs have no power to suggest a player meant to call a fair catch, or meant to take a knee, or meant to not field the kick off at all. None. Zero. Zilch. Refs are required to make judgement on things that actually happened in the field of play. Instead, they ruled a player meant to give himself up DESPITE the glaringly obvious fact that Carter took none of the actions which constitute giving oneself up per NFL rules. Carter did NOT signal a fair catch, he did NOT take a knee, and he did NOT decide to let the ball land in the end zone. Yet the referee determined he "gave himself up" all the same and thats good enough for you. What is there to argue? You are embarrassing yourself, but something tells me you're only getting started.

Which is what I alluded to earlier. Trying to leave some breadcrumbs for alphadawg but he'd rather eat his own excrement today.

He clearly and without question took none of the actions that constitute "giving himself up" per NFL rules. And no, the refs have ZERO ability to change the rule book mid game. ZERO. At least they didn't until Saturday.

How is picking up a flag analogous to overturning a scoring play? Especially given that ALL SCORING PLAYS ARE AUTOMATICALLY REVIEWED BY THE HEAD OF OFFICIATING IN NEW YORK! Why not let it go to review? Instead, they abandoned protocol and the rule book. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bizarre-bills-kickoff-touchdown-overturned-after-officials-rule-the-returner-gave-himself-up/ Yes you absolutely need a ton of explanation and you're going to get it. Giving yourself up is governed by f@#$ing rules, imagine that. Throwing the ball near a ref does not constitute giving oneself up any more than screaming "I declare bankruptcy!" is recognized by the IRS. So how can you give yourself up?? CAll a fair catch, take a knee, don't field the kick. Now which one of those did Carter elect?? I'll wait.

You can say its not a TD 100 more times but that's not an argument and you have yet to offer one. The funny part is that you're probably right but not for anything even resembling a valid reason. The difference between the NCAA rules and NFL rules has already been discussed, and guess what, you're incorrect again. Perhaps you should go back and read the first 16 pages and save yourself some face. I'll ask again, when did the runner give himself up according to league rules?

It was so clear there was a 5 minute conference on the field. Its so clear that no one can show me how or where the runner "gave himself up" in accordance with known rules. I guess every call is clear by virtue of the final decision, right? Your reasoning is impeccable. Good luck. When and how did he give himself up? You know there are.....wait for it.....rules about how a player can and does give himself up. Should be easy to spot, right? Let me save the hamster a few spins around the old cranium. In the end, your argument and a few others boil down to this: returners have been violating the rules all year with impunity and you're uncomfortable with the outcome of the enforcement of the rule.

And to answer everyone's question: yes. Resoundingly, yes. A thousand times YES!!! That is EXACTLY how I want to win that game. I yearn for the day when a complete miscarriage of officiating results in a historic win for a Buffalo franchise. I dream of the day when I can sit down some stranger's bewildered and frightened children and tell them all about the day the Buffalo Bills won a super bowl due to sheer officiating incompetence.

I think we should retroactively go back and overturn every play where a rookie pass catcher or runner forgot that theres a difference between NCAA and NFL rules, assumed he was down and voluntarily left a live ball in the field of play. These guys who make millions to play a game shouldn't be expected to understand the fundamental rules of the game and adhere to them. Particularly, the specialists who have one f@#$%ing job. Its the responsibility of the officials to make sure they can't affect the outcome of the game with their blithe indifference for the rules and general stupidity. Andre Roberts wasted so much energy kneeling this year. Its no wonder our return game sucked.

It wasn't clear to the back judge. You know, the guy who gets paid hefty sums a year to assess these things. What did you see that constitutes that he clearly "gave himself up"?

Picking up a flag is a far cry from overturning a scoring play. With a scoring play there's no reason to even have a conference because all scores are AUTOMATICALLY REVIEWED!!!!

Hes OBVIOUSLY down and gave himself up until the day someone changes their mind. They see the coverage is dogging it down the field because the kick was 7 yards deep in the end zone, and what person in their right mind wouldn't down it 7 yards deep, and after two steps and a balk toward the ref they run it out for a big play...Only to have it called back of course because the ref assumed that the returner intended to take a knee. Then you have controversy and we need to discuss a mechanism by which to determine when a player is indeed giving themselves up and when they are an eligible runner. Wait, what? We already have that exact f@#$ing system for that exact f@#$oing reason?!?!?! WELL I'LL BE F@#$ED!!!

I don't know what to think of a person who still maintains that the correct ruling on the field should be based on the officials whim and your own personal level of comfort with winning or losing based on the outcome.

This is a pattern for Wade. He comes into town, immediately turns some bottom feeding unit into a top ranked defense in the league and 2 or 3 years later the defense is mediocre and hes on to another opportunity.

Thats the longest cop out I have seen in a while. ESPN commentators and multiple other media members know that the league dropped the ball here. Had they kept the ruling on the field it would have automatically been reviewed in NYC to get the call correct. How and why was the back judge overruled? Why was protocol abandoned? This many pages in you're just willfully ignorant.

Right. So he didn't catch it, advance the ball a few steps forward, and then toss it to no one, then stand there as the kicking team recovered the ball, and it wasn't ruled a TD on the field, and subsequently the back judge, who is the only person on the field who can make the call, wasn't overruled by mysterious mechanisms involving back up officials thus negating any chance for video review and the correct call being made on the field of play. So in other words, this hasn't happened ever in the history of NFL football and is therefore significant.

Here's one.

How was it ruled these multiple times?

I was screaming about that at the game. I have never seen that before.

Most places will sacrifice quality for fast service. They start with wet skinned wings, drop order after order without letting oil to come back up to temp, and then don't adjust timing to compensate for lower oil temp. Thats my guess. Never worked a day in the restaurant or bar business.

A Bills fan down here in Houston used to order wings naked with sauce on the side. It was about the only way to enjoy a crunchy wing. Its just not the same and its a sad state of affairs.

Well *****. I need to visit PPP more often.

That article blew my mind. How have I never heard any of this?

I think OP's point is that Tre specifically said Kevin Johnson will be covering the right side of the field which could mean Levi is out. And yes, we play a lot of zone. I don't think Tre has ever had an assignment to cover one WR no matter where he lines up. Could be wrong. Tre didn't Shadow Hopkins last year.

Thank you, but all credit goes to Katie O'Brien, El Presidente of the Houston Bills Backers and mastermind of this weekend's festivities. She has put in a ton of work organizing this on short notice. For those attending, if you get a chance to meet her please give her a quick thank you. I am just trying to help get the word out and give everyone the info they need to have the best time possible here in my adopted home city.