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It is a non moving violation. He'll get a ticket and it will be expunged by end of year if that is the case. Also, empty cans count as "open container". So even if the beer was in the passenger door or his lap (spit cup if he chews), he still gets popped with open container. I am guessing that the dude was flying through a construction zone, changing lanes and not signaling because of his trailer and no shoulder. Somebody called and complained. Cops see a beer in a cup holder and use it as reason to search the truck and test get his BAC. What he actually gets charged with will be dependent on his BAC. I have a feeling that he'll get some sort of speeding/reckless driving and maybe an open container ticket. No DUI and no gun charge (because no DUI). Honestly though, I don't know. Just sort of trying to piecemeal together a bunch of reports, some of them are different.

There are two conflicting reports. One, that it was between his legs, the other that it was in his passenger side door. If it was in his passenger side door, I would hardly call that a red flag.

Or made it waaaaaay worse....but OK

A bunch of clamoring for 2k to have a swing at it. Ignoring the fact the NBA 2k games have been trash for years now.

All we needed was a woman to get attacked by a Bison? Had I known, I would have vacationed with a couple terrible ex-girlfriends to Yellowstone years ago. Sorry Bills fans, this drought is on me.

EJ left the field against the pats with just a few minutes left on the clock with the league. I think part of my frustration with the “Allen is almost there” crowd is a little bit of shaken baby syndrome with my past self with EJ. Sure he largely didn’t play well enough, but he left the field with the lead. What a terrible 100 seconds against the Jags in London, but we still almost won the game. He was 2-2 when he was benched. Yada yada yada. EJ reference aside. JA has shown more improvement from year 1 to 2 than EJ did. And has much better intangibles. The book isn’t written on him yet, but as a passer he hasn’t been good enough to date. He still may. Stats are on his side at the moment, but I am holding out hope. Go Bills!

I was just responding to your post that he: -Was driving deep- They weren’t. They went 20 yards. - Thrives in the red zone- he doesn’t as a passer/ He’s actually a poor passer in the red zone. Completing less than 50% of their passes. And over half his rushing TD’s are from the 3 or closer. I added his rushing TD’s. Which I credited as his secret sauce. But mentioned that over half came at the 3 yard line or closer. I want him to keep running but only enough to keep defenses honest. I also added that the Bills had one of the worst total number of red zone attempts in the league and a below average TD% even when they do get there. I’ll add now, that the Bills are 24th in yards per drive. All while being 11th in average starting field position. The drive you mentioned was actually actually VERY close to their average in terms of yardage and starting failed position. I feel like I read your point as “he probably does it” and I responded with, based on everything you laid out, probability is actually not in his favor outside of in game context. Not only that, it was very run of the mill for a Buffalo offense. Started at the 30, went under 30 yards. Punt. In game context he had just thrown a pick and went 3 and out. So not a ton of momentum.

Sure there was a better chance than with Barkley. But Allen and Co. had one of the least red zone trips in the NFL. So you may feel like he was “leading a deep drive” (they gained 25 yards after a 30 yard return). But the reality is, they were in the area of the field they struggled the most to get past. The Bills has one of the fewest red zone trips in the entire league and were just below average in TD% even when they did get there. Allens secret sauce in the red zone has been rushing inside the 3 yard line (5 of 9 RTD) He completed 48% of his passes in the RZ. Again, the real uphill battle for the offense is just getting their, not just finishing the drive.

Just to provide some color, the Bills were 26th in Red Zone Trips and 17th in red zone TD% in 2019. Josh himself was 23rd in Red Zone passing TD's completing only 48% of his passes. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/redzone-passing.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/#all_team_scoring Edit: Josh did rush for 9 RZ TD's which is impressive. 4 were from the 1 yard line and another 1 from the 3 yard line. I am actually hoping those go down a little. We lacked any sort of short yardage bruiser. I would like to see a RB make those plays more often, and run Allen down there enough to keep the defense honest.

I will bow out of this after this one, it is talking in circles. This whole back and forth started because I thought the NFL did not do enough interms of identifying in season and out of season testing and banned substances. I understand it is their rules, I just happen to disagree with them and so does WADA, especially on the Adderall and (previously) pot issues. Yes there are obviously performance benefits to Adderall. That is not up for debate. But they are absolutely temporary, which is why it is banned IN competion (for the same reasons that caffeine at certain levels is banned IN competition) and NOT OUT of competition. I could snort a line of Adderall in front of a WADA or USADA rep in December, pee in a cup the next day, and as long as I test clean at the world championships in August, there is no problem. There are no long term positive effects from taking Adderall while training out of season, that will effect in season performance from a physiological perspective. It is not like timing your cycle properly with steroids, HGH, beta blockers, etc. Think of it this way, somebody who has AHDH takes adderall, they use it to maintain focus and control. If they stop taking adderall, they don't magically become more focused. You are also overvaluing the NFL offseason and undervaluing most other professional athletes (not baseball haha). If you are a track athlete, you might compete a hand full of times during the year. If you row, you might only go to one race, and that is the world championship. Yet these guys are ON 48-50 weeks per year. I know for myself, I was at about 20 hours of sport specific work per week. That is actual time moving. So if you are doing 4 x 10 minute sets, with 8 minutes rest, that is 40 minutes of work. Then there was lifting, cross training, stretching, cool down, warm up, watching film, etc. on top of that. It is a full time gig at every sport. Football players aren't in some special world in terms of work and time put in. Their bodies just take a wild beating for 4 months with the physicality of the game. I am guessing he was . But not necessarily because he was drunk. I posted earlier in the thread, I used to drive trailers as part of my job (40 foot trailer/60 foot load on it), and construction zones with no shoulder are a total B-Word. At night or light traffic I would change lanes all the time through them. A lot of people call and report trailers driving. I have had 3 calls for me just being in the left lane going 80+ and passing. My company didn't have contact info on the pick up, just branding. So people would google me while driving, to call the office, just to say I was in the left lane.

I am fully aware of Adderall's effects in sports. I was registered with WADA and USADA, living at the Olympic training center for a number of years. It is a stupid ban in the offseason. It has no performance enhancing effects outside of game day, much like high levels of caffeine or cocaine. That means using a bunch of Adderall in May/June, does not make you any better in September/October. Once the Adderall works out of the system, there are no more positive gains. If you are using Adderall to cut weight you will need to take it for weigh ins, which means you would be, testing positive IN competition. Which again, you can't do. Taking it 6 months out for a weigh in then stopping serves zero benefit. The NFL isn't ahead of the curve on this, they are behind it. It is an effort to say, "Look at Ed Oliver on Adderall, lets get him into the substance abuse program because we care and we are a clean game" But then you turn on the TV in September and see that HGH and steroids are in heavy usage and it goes totally ignored. And here we are in May talking about what an "advantage" it is to be using Adderall in the offseason, when its not, and no national or international anti-doping agency would agree. They are banned in competition only for that reason. What you are saying does not have the support of the international sport science community. What has become popular over the last generation or two is Adderall as a recreational drug, not for performance/focus. Feels do not equal reals.

Yeah, and most of it is dumb. Until a few weeks/months ago, if you tested for pot you entered the program. It is all an optics play, not for PED's. Some 22 year old enters the leagues substance abuse program for effing adderall when it has zero use outside of game day. The NFL should give more leeway to off season usage and do more in season testing. The rest of the world, and even the UFC, just adopt USADA and WADA rules and regulations. The NFL gets off way too easy in season, and they make up for it with stupid rules in the offseason. He had it in between his legs when talking to the officer, then reached over and put it in the drivers side door after the officer already saw it? That doesn't make any sense.

This one is weird. The whole thing is weird. One report had the beer between his legs. Another report has it in his passenger side door. Normally with these DUI's I am quick to just shake my head cause the guy is an idiot. But this seems inconsistent. https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/court-records-buffalo-bills-ed-oliver-admitted-to-drinking-taking-adderall-prior-to-houston-dwi-arrest/285-df7cfad6-f1d3-422b-bab3-9e99dbe845c5

Correct. Maybe I should have said thorough process and delineate between when things are banned. But I guess that assumes the NFL actually cares about PED's and would rather just have the optics that they do.

The NFL does not go far enough with most of its testing, then hands out sometimes super high suspensions if you are one of the ones that do get caught. I think it would be in their best interest to have a thorough list. From the perspective of international sport, there is in competition and out of competition bans. So pot, cocaine, adderall, or certain amounts of caffeine for example has no real performance enhancing benefit outside of competition day, so literally USADA could show up for a random test at your house in the off season and you could pee while ripping on a bong, and nothing would happen. But, you test positive at a World Championship and you are toast. I would like to see the NFL become a bit more sophisticated with its testing. I would remove pot all together for the NFL. Agree to 300 random offseason tests. Players can go and rip lines for all I care, but really they are testing for steroids, HGH, etc. and 300 random in season tests. Test positive in season for PED's, you are toast for the rest of the year. Every single national team athlete in every sport in the US is letting USADA and WADA know their whereabouts everyday, it is not that hard.

This thread is a good example of why the Rooney rule exists. Everybody is all up in arms about interviewing two minorities. An interview! ??‍♂️

Very unsure what the mandates are from the NFL, but I can comment on USADA and WADA. There are substances that are always banned, and substances that are only banned in competition.It’s been a while since I have been tested but I believe adderall is only banned in competition not in daily training/use. Similar to the NFL, you can get a TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption) to use in competition. So if you’re an Olympian, as long as you test clean at the games you’re good to go. The same goes for pot and a bunch of other things.

It all depends on the BAC. No BAC has been released. If he has a script for aderall, there is nothing to charge him with. That is a league rule, not a law, even then he may have an exemption. If his BAC was as low as MAJ claims, the only thing he probably gets is speeding through a construction zone.

Another poster in the thread said he “had a friend who works at the hospital” who did the blood draw and saw his chart. .03 BAC and no other drugs in his system. IF (and that’s a big if) that is true, Oliver probably doesn’t see any suspension.

I think it will depend on his BAC. If the posters friend has good information, and Olivers BAC was .03, there is no DWI. The gun "charge" is only an accelerant to the DWI and isn't illegal on its own. Open container is a class C misdemeanor, non-moving violation, can be expunged, max fine of $500. Unsure how gun laws will work in TX and if having a gun can increase the open container charge. There is a possibility he sees no suspension if the DWI is dropped.

Curious if Oliver dips. If the .03 ends up being true, keeping the can/bottle between his legs is a wild move that makes no sense...unless he used it as a spit cup and didn't think anything of it.

I was wondering this. Seemed OK. Balance on 1 foot was solid. Took a second with both feet down with the one foot in front of the other. He seemed compliant, and there is no reference of him refusing to blow on the side of the road. No BAC reported yet. The police report said they were unsure if it was alcohol but that he was inebriated. Curious if he blew under .08, I believe in TX you can still catch a charge for that, but less severe. But the open container pushed the issue and triggered the search, found the gun. Which wouldn't have been illegal if not for the beer.

I came here to say this. There is absolutely no Jordon or Phil Jackson on this team. If anything Phil’s time in Chicago might be closer to Marv Levy where his greatest accomplishment was managing his roster and getting buy in. Although I think Phil has a better basketball mind than Marv did football. Phil Jackson is probably the greatest HC in US pro sports history. Also if MJ was anything less than the absolute greatest of all time, he would have been passed around the league. He was an A-hole. He got away with what he did because he transcended the league. The way he behaved only motivated because of the same reason. Don’t get me wrong, he might be the most competitive guy on the planet to a borderline psychotic level. But he was flat out hurtful and wrong. That whole Kwame Brown saga is bonkers to say the least. Hell, the dude just recently stonewalled Barkley, one of his best friends of 30+ years, because he said he has too many yes men around him.

That’s always wild to me. There’s easily 15,000 drivers over the legal limit on the road on Sunday afternoons. Lowering BAC is stupid. Not that we shouldn’t be more careful. But the issue is enforcement. Just like literally every other law, the data doesn’t point towards severity of punishment having any effect on willingness to commit a crime. The largest impact on reducing crime is if people think they’ll be caught or prosecuted. Fact is Erie County/City of Buffalo, etc. don’t really care about DUI’s. How many people get pulled over Sunday/Saturday morning around Elmwood, Allen, or Chippewa? Barely any. How many people get popped at a Bills game? The tiniest fraction. Regular enforcement is the problem. Not driving down the BAC from .1 to .08 to .06.

Where did you see his BAC? I just googled and couldn't find anything.