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Seeing as they are one of "smart teams" maybe they should work on their OL, now ranked 32nd. They better get more creative with their playcalls so LeSean McCoy can be a little higher then 15th in YPC as well.

And roster changes, IMO, fall at his feet too. I believe he's had some say in that. Tannenbaum was acquiring good offensive talent, he drafted Mangold and Ferguson before Rex got there. Both Pro Bowl talent. Hell, Tannenbaum drafted Revis before Rex got there. He also acquired Calvin Pace, Damien Woody in FA, before Rex arrived. The point isn't to defend Tannenbaum but to put the some of the blame for the offensive struggles on the HC. As far as Rex having a better record, Lovie Smith had a better record in Chicago than any coach in Buffalo, what's your point? Look what he's doing Tampa.

What amnesia? Where's Brian Schottenheimer now? And this is perfect that you bring up Schottenheimer, because he was with the Jets before Rex arrived. Schottenheimer started with the Jest in 2006, the same year Tannenbaum started as GM. From 2006-2008 the average offensive ranking for the Jest was 17th, highest ranking being 12th. Not brilliant but it is what it is. When Rex took over Schottenheimer kept his job, so no change in offensive philosophy. Tannenbauml was still the GM, so no change there. From 2009-211, when he was fired, the Jest offense average rank was 22, the highest being 19th. Rex Ryan is the only change, plus the defense got better, which in turn you would think would give the offense MORE opportunity. Then after all that, in a moment of shear brilliance, he hires Tony Sparano as his OC. You keep pointing to Izdik as if he's been there the entire time. Izdik has been there for all of a 1.5 years. You do realize there was another GM right? Rex's struggles go back beyond Izdik, I don't know how many times I need to say this. Again, go look at from 2006-08, Schottenheimer was the OC for the Jest then as well, and they were a better offense.

I get that. But couldn't Brown do what Dixon is doing?

My only question is why is Boobie Dixon playing over him. I would imagine Brown is the more versatile back and if you going to give that 3rd running back a couple carries every once in a while, I'd prefer it was Brown. It's almost like they are making 2 fullbacks active with Summers/Dixon.

I'm looking at his record, it's 43-44. He's had 2 winning seasons. The inferior talent and the offensive philosophy fall at his feet too. He's in charge of hiring his own staff. I think he has some say in the talent acquired. Maybe good OC's don't want to work with Rex because they don't like his coaching style. Why would you think any of that would change if he was a head coach in Buffalo? So Buffalo would have a good/great defense and a piss poor offense. How would that be any different than what's on the field right now?

I agree. He's a great defensive mind. But he was his record says (43-44). Some of the blame for the offense, which has struggled the entire time he has been there, has to fall at his feet.

Hey I got called an idiot for suggesting that.

I never said he wasn't a good coach, the discussion is about being a Head Coach, but what a wonderful response. I see you have to resort to name calling, how very intelligent of you.

You mean Tannenbaum who help draft Revis, Harris, Nick Mangold, and D'Brickshaw Ferguson? Yea horrible talent evaluator. Guess he just lucked into those. My point is, the offensive philosophy and drafting hasn't changed with the GM change. What's not to get? The one thing that has remained constant is Ryan is the HC. Through 2 GM's nothing has changed on the offensive OR the defensive side of the ball. Yet, previous to Ryan arriving Tannenbaum helped select Mangold and Ferguson in the 1st round. You absolutely can put some of that on Ryan. You think Ryan has absolutely zero say in the philosophy of the drafting or the philosophy of the offense? I mean lets say for a second that that's even true, which I don't believe it is, what does that say about the confidence level they have in Ryan? What, he can only coach one half of the team? And he's the one selecting the offensive coaching staff, so he obviously doesn't know how to find talent in his offensive coaching staff. EDIT: Fans here love to put the CJ Spiller pick on Gailey and the Aaron Maybin pick on Jauron. But oh no, we can't possibly lay blame on the drafting done on a coach we think is good.

They were doing the same drafting and had the same offensive scheme under Tannenbaum. Like I said I'm not buying that he has no say on what the offense does Like I said, the same thing was going on when Tannenbaum was there. They weren't drafting offensive talent. They were going after veteran players on offense. Holmes, Tomlinson, etc. etc. It's the same exact formula that is going on now that was going on then. EDIT: And it was Tannenbaum that helped draft Revis, Harris, Nick Mangold, and D'Brickshaw Ferguson. How is it the drafting went to crap when Ryan arrived? Ryan hasn't drafted 4 players of that calibre since he's been there.

Sorry, but the guy completely neglects the offensive side of the ball year in and year out. They are on their 3rd OC, who is doing as bad as the others. He hasn't selected an offensive player in the 1st round since Sanchez. The offense as a whole is always a mess. He subscribes to the same offensive philosophy as Marrone/Hackeet, run first, blah, blah, blah. I don't by that he has no control of the offense. The offensive philosophy/drafting hasn't changed with the GM switch. He's a brilliant DC, but as a head coach, his record speaks for itself (43-44) with 2 winning records in 6 years. No thanks.

That's a pretty easy call because you saw the play unfold and can now use hindsight. Now try to do that without knowing.

Hilarious that you even posted the bold, did you watch the video? He runs between the tackles and up the middle on just about EVERY single run. The long run against KC, was right up the middle. The TD against Arizona, right up the middle. The long run against the Jest, off tackle. 80-yard draw play, up the middle against the Dolphins. There isn't anything exotic about the play calls in that video, sweeps or tosses or trick run plays. Yea, there's screens but the OL has shown it can't block screens for crap. But they have opened holes for CJ, HE JUST DOESN'T RUN THROUGH THEM he wants to bounce it outside or doesn't see the creases. Please, go back and watch the video.

Would you look at that hole inside... Jesus. The guy has no vision, none.

Can't extend Spikes in season, he's a vested veteran. First crack the Bills will have at resigning him is opening day of Free Agency.

Using Sammy as a decoy, while bad, would have worked if the defense could have stopped the Patriots* at all in the second half.

Ok, fine I can play this game too. In the last 4 games FJax is averaging 4.3 YPC. Look what I did there, now your 5 game stat doesn't look so good. And to further prove my point the Bills have faced better defenses in those 4 games. You are manipulating the stats to prove your point. I'm not. I listed both FJ and CJs stats for all the games then concluded that only one of the running backs isn't performing. What's the point in getting creative if the one RB can't even do the basics? Imagination isn't going to fix missing holes, missing creases and just plain running badly.

I'm just asking because I can't remember, but weren't these the same arguments made after Chris Johnsons number plummeted after his 2000 yard season?

Why are you removing games as if they didn't happen? Or combining stats. I gave you both Spiller and FJs yards per carry for each game, there's no need to pick 5 games and say well he's doing this in the last 5 games. He's splitting carries with CJ who BTW has had more carries. He had a good YPC against Houston and Detroit, who had the #1 rush defense at that point. Miami FJ didn't have a great game, but if your argument is that Hacketts run plays aren't immaginitive, CJ actually had a good day. And they still rushed for over 100 yards as a team. Not sure why you bring up the second stat of CJ, Anthony and FJ. If you take aways Fred's longest run of the year, 38 yards, he's still averaging a pretty good 3.7 YPC. Also of that 132 yards Boobie and CJ had the bulk of the yards. So again I don't see the relevance of that stat. EDIT: Btw 3.6 isn't as horrible as you make it seem. It's enough for a 1st down on 3 carries. If it was below 3.3, maybe you have an argument.

That's a great analysis of one game, but FJ is averaging 4.4 YPC for the year. He averaged 4.9 against against a very good Detroit defense. CJ averaged 0.8 on the same number of attempts. Against Houston FJ averaged 4.7, CJ averaged 4. Against San Diego FJ averaged 5.6, CJ averaged 2.5. Against Miami FJ averaged 2.0, CJ averaged 5.7. And finally against Chicago FJ averaged 9.5 while CJ averaged 3.8. You see what I'm getting at? Your comment about "others doing well in this imaginative attack" maybe holds true for the Pats* game but it certainly doesn't for any others. FJ is doing just fine in it. That also tells me running up the middle, for the most part is working, except for with CJ.

So we are going to use 1 game as a measuring stick? Seriously? What about the Detroit game? What about the Miami game? The people here defending Spiller are defending one player. Meanwhile every other player on offense is finding their grove. Chandler has a monster game against the Pats*. Hogan is getting in on the mix. FJ is on a steady course to repeat last year. Woods is back on track with Orton under center. But Spiller isn't doing well, so, obviously it's Hackett's fault.

Spiller had 1.5 good years, so did Josh Freeman. Hell, Chris Johnson used to be amazing. Whats your point in attacking Nate Hakett's resume?

Again, to the bold, thats in large part due to Spillers ineffectiveness. Like I said FJ is on pace to do MORE yards from scrimmage than last year. Spillers numbers are the ones that are down.

FJ is doing just fine. He's on pace for 1200+ yards from scrimmage. He had around 1100 last year. Woods is starting to get the ball more and has as many yards in 2 games with Orton as he did with EJ in 4. I'll agree not going to Watkins in the NE* was a bit frustrating. But he looked good in the Detroit game. Chandler is now ooking like he did under Chan. He had a monster game. This thread is about Spiller and I guess it's somewhat about Hackett. The offense, in a lot of aspects, was not the problem on Sunday. Yea, Spiller was useless, but if the defense does a better job in the 2nd half, the offense more than did enough to win.