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I'll say next week against Detroit, just for fun. Detroit is on a 2 game winning streak, MegaTron isn't 100% and the Lions look past the Bills to the Saints game. Jim Schwartz has his old team figured out and the Bills come away with the W. Doubt it happens, but I'm not going to dwell. Just happy knowing the Bills will be in Buffalo for a long time.

Agreed. Fitz is 8-39-1 when attempting more than 30 passes. His interceptions per attempts doubles when he passes more than 30 times. The first 2 games of the season he had 19, 22 attempts. Last week he had 34. Force him to pass.

This. The fact that it isn't the "right tool to measure Joe Motana", but it's the "right tool" to measure EJ Manuel is ridiculous. And if one looks at 2013 air yards per attempt and air yard %, look who's below EJ. Andrew Luck. He sucks. Or maybe it's just not the "right tool" to measure Andrew Luck.

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That's definitely throwbacks. Regular White has a blue collar and the stripes around the arm aren't as fat. Gotta be standing Buffalo. EDIT: unless that's a wrong picture, like someone didn't check before posting.

Pretty much that... When you have to come out and explain your stat, like that, then imo it's not a stat, it's an opinion. If a QB and his team are dominant, that QB could end up with a lower QBR than a QB who's team sucks but has more "clutch plays". Sure, it could. The problem is what happens when a team has a dominant defense? The QB with the dominant team is able to put up points early and the defense holds, for the majority of the season. Very few "clutch plays", therefore a lower QBR. That QB could still have a great season, but have a low QBR.

I still think its a flawed statistic. I think the example of last night's rating of Cousins is a prime example. He threw 4 int's and fumbled away a ball. How is it possible with all of those negative plays he was still able to have a number higher than EJ in the Chargers game? Where the heck did the clutch plays come from? He gave his team absolutely no chance to win with his play. But that's the rub, that's my opinion of his play and QBR brings opinion("clutch") and tries to quantify it.

An extra negative? I have no idea, I'm not the one making the QBR "clutch" rules. Is it bad that a QB comes up short? Sure, it could be. But like I said there are a load of variables. What if he came up short because a defender made an absolutely amazing play, but the QB still made some "clutch" throws previous to that, that without them they wouldn't have even had a chance.

What do you mean, "what do I say". If you mean what's my opinion, it depends on a variety of variables.

Thanks Sally. I've actually read that already. My point is, that's a terrible metric, mostly because that could be different for every person you ask. There is no way to boil down and say yup, that play was more clutch than this other play. I'm sure if you asked enough coaches they would say all plays are important. Are throws at the end of the game, when the game is on the line with time running out clutch? Of course they are, but one could argue that the throw in the 1st quarter, that took the top of the defense was just as clutch because that didn't come against prevent defense and opened up the game more. Who knows.

I don't think they post who does the grading, but yea, for me... it's a flawed system. Clutch factor? What the hell is that.

Very well said.

Mario for Drew Stanton!

See this is where I disagree with you. Schwartz, by all accounts and metrics so far, is getting just as much production from the defense for the Bills through 3 games as Pettine did through 3 games with the Bills. No one hate's Pettine, but if Schwartz is able to get the same production or better, and the question is asked if you miss Pettine, then the answer should be no. Why would you miss Pettine if Schwartz is getting it done? And btw I brought up a lot of the stats that you've already posted (they were #2 in avg yards per drive behind Seattle last year, not 1) as to why the defense wasn't that bad last year. But thats not the premise of this thread. Also it looks like Mike Pettine has taken a good Cleveland defense and completely flushed it down the toilet. So we have no way of knowing if his defense here was a 1 hit wonder or not. Rex Ryan had to take back over the Jest defense in NY after a slow decline when Mike took over defensive duties.

I think that's a fair point.

Can you take us through what you saw from a video of Jordan Palmer...

Good for you

I'm not going to do your work for you. You disagreed with my point, go do your own work.

We could go around in analytical circles. How about opponents? Maybe that's why the defense looks better? The Bills in 2013 faced the Pats*, Panthers, Jest. How do they compare to the Bears, Dolphins, Chargers? Are their offenses similar, is the scheme similar? What about players who didn't play in the game? The 2014 Buffalo Bills at this point in the season, 3 games in, are sitting at a better place than they were last year, that is a fact. The question that was asked was "Anyone wish Pettine was still here", looking at where the team is (2-1) and where the defense is, I don't wish he was. But, in case you were wondering Bills 2013 Defense Y/Attempt pass: 7.6; Bills 2014 Defense Y/attempt pass: 7.4 (through 3 games) Shall I go any further?

What does that have to do with the cost of sliced bread? The question was do you wish Pettine was still here.... At this point in time, the defense as a whole is preforming better than last year AND preforming better than Pettine's own team. At this point last year the Bills were averaging 24.6 points per game, 155 Rush yards per game, and 262.3 Pass yards per game. They have improved in every single category, except Pass yards per game, which they are only off by 5 YPG, so it's not like they are getting torched that much more in the air.

Let's see, the Bills current defense is: 8th in Points per game (17 spots ahead of Cleveland) 6th in Rush yards per game (22 spots ahead of Cleveland) 26th in Pass yards per game (Still one spot ahead of Cleveland) 15th in Total yards per game (16 spots ahead of Cleveland) And the Bills are 2-1, Cleveland is 1-2.... Nope.

I've heard, that EJ doesn't stand when he pee's....

The problem with QBR(among other things) is it tries to be analytical in just that specific game. TB is by all accounts, a horrible team, we know that now but didn't at the time Carolina played them. The fact that Derek Anderson gets a higher grade for beating them than EJ gets for coming back in OT to beat the Bears, tells me all I need to know about it. It looks at specific instances in the game that were definining, why stop there, why not look at specific games that were defining or clutch as they put it.