OldTimer1960

One drive and the game is already about to be completely out of reach. Our defense is SO HORRIBLE and the offense is very weak. The team has no fight and little talent. They don't even come close to stopping anyone.

I don't for a second believe that Fitz is mailing it in because he got paid. The guy is smart and a strong competitor. His struggles are (IMHO) a combination of the following: 1. OL troubles due to injuries - the OL has actually held up better than I would have expected for losing their best player and leader in Wood, and losing both their 1st AND second string LTs. I don't know if you can over-emphasize how much Wood getting hurt has hindered this offense. Besides the drop-off in talent, they now have an OG trying to play C and who is making the OL calls now? 2. Stevie Johnson is injured and is a marginal #1/good #2 WR when healthy. David Nelson is a nice #3WR. There is no dominant #1 WR - or if you count Johnson as that, then there is no good #2 WR. 3. Scott Campbell was WAY better than the weak excuses for NFL players that the Bills have trotted out at TE in the past several years, but he is hurt and even when healthy is still a bottom-half (maybe bottom third) of the league starting TE. There is absolutely NO depth at TE, on top of that. 4. Fitzpatrick is smart and tough, but is very marginally (physically) talented to be a starting QB. He MUST excel with his intellect and leadership and be surrounded by some MUCH better receiving talent and a better OL and running game. IF the Bills insist on staying with Fitz next year, they need to find some MUCH better receiving options and get some OL depth. They need to make better use of Spiller and keep using Fred Jackson. UNFORTUNATELY, they HAVE to find at least 2 pass rushers, too.

I wouldn't bet against Cleveland taking a QB. McCoy hasn't been very good this year. TB could also consider one as Josh Freeman has been pretty bad, too.

Well, all that they need this offseason to be competitive next year is: 1. starting caliber QB 2. pass rusher 3. pass rusher 4. #1 WR 5. good TE 6. outside LB 7. outside LB 8. NFL caliber defensive coordinator 9. haven't even talked about the OL... Now, that should be very doable - UGH

I am pretty sure that Fitzpatrick is now worse than Trent ever was. It is so bad, I wish we had JP Losman back.

Cut F*ing Fitzpatrick right NOW! He is ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE!

This is maybe the worst team in the history of the Bills franchise. Fitzpatrick appears to be a complete disaster, but it is hard to tell when there is only Stevie Johnson (a decent #2) and David Nelson (an OK #3). No TE, no #1 WR, refuse to use the RBs as receivers. Never give the ball back to Spiller - he is doing too well.

PLEASE, fire George Edwards in the post-game press conference.

Yes, he has lost those remaining on the team. I think there is a LITTLE talent left on the team, but they have QUIT because the coaching staff is SO abysmal. The entire coaching staff needs to go, now. 4 or 5 weeks ago, I'd have argued that Gailey was infusing some toughness into this team and that he could stay if he fired Edwards, but it is clear that he WON"T do that and the players have mailed it in because they don't believe in the coaching staff and they can't figure it out on their own.

I concur. I know that I posted that they will be good when they are in LA or Toronto. That doesn't mean that I WANT them to move. God, I remember when the Braves moved to SD (and then to LA). I still haven't gotten over that. HOWEVER, how can an organization which has produced a PUTRID product for >10 years, expect to sell their product? In most any other industry, a company as HORRIBLE as the Bills would be out of business. But because of revenue sharing, they are not only still in business, but they have made a profit. I SINCERELY hope that they stay in Buffalo long-term and find some miraculous way to right the ship, but this is INCREDIBLY frustrating to watch. THEY ARE NOT EVEN REMOTELY COMPETITIVE.

It will take this team being in Los Angeles or Toronto with a new owner. I don't think that Ralph Wilson WANTs to lose, but the entire organization is a joke. They can't identify good young players and coach them into good NFL players. The coaching staff must be held accountable, but so must the front office who has missed on several high picks. This franchise is in complete limbo, but there is no happy ending coming. Ralph Wilson will eventually pass away and the team will end up in LA or Toronto. THEN, they will become good, just to rub salt into the considerable wounds.

This team is an COMPLETE embarrassment. They have no chance at the time that they get off the bus. They would not even make a Bowl Game in college, unless maybe they were in the Big East and could win that conference. HOW on earth could they complain if they don't sell tickets?

OMFG, do you remember when the Bills were the team with the special team's advantage? No need to keep Bobby April, right! This is an absolute abomination. The entire front office and coaching staff should be dumped after yet another uncompetitive game. For God's sake, just be at least IN the game once in a while....

Fitz is not the whole problem. An offense needs to be allowed a drive or two to figure out what the opponent's D is doing. Fitz NEVER has that luxury. The D is ABYSMAL and never steps up. One or two "learning" drives by the offense to start a game and they are in an insurmountable whole behind by 2 TDs. I am normally a BIG apologist for this organization, but this is truly pathetic. They have invested heavily on D in the last 2 drafts and have nothing to show for it. I am blaming George Edwards because I CAN"T believe that the draft choices spent on D have been that BAD. He IS NOT helping these players succeed. Every week that he presides over this cluster F*ck, the talent that has been drafted for the D in the past two years loses heart.

Please tell me how the Bills still have George Edwards on their staff. The offense is weak, but most offenses have a drive or two in the first half to figure out what the opponents D, but the Bills are behind every week by 10-14 points after the opponents first two drives. I know that the Bills' D has had injuries, but they are an absolute embarrassment with their only hope being that the opponent's offense misfires. There is no pass rush and, lately, the run defense has been attrocious, too. George Edwards has failed to get even a little bit out of the talent that he has. I am not saying that they have enough talent on D, but they certainly have enough talent to be reasonably competitive and they aren't showing that. If Chan doesn't fire Edwards after this debacle, then the entire staff including Chan needs to go at year's end.

I don't think that is fair. I am no Trent apologist, but he showed quite a bit of toughness, in my opinion. He got hammered many times and kept getting up. He ended up being shell-shocked I think, but that wasn't because he was skittish to begin with.

Do you really want to stack Stevie up against the #1 WRs in the league? If so, he is not in the top 20 or so. He is a pretty good #2 WR with a way-overblown ego. David Nelson is not "great" in any stretch of the imagination. He is a pretty good #3 WR option, but is not a big-play guy at all. All in all, I'd like to keep Nelson, but don't confuse him with a viable #2 starting WR in the NFL. Campbell is a nice story and he is far better than the garbage that the Bills have paraded out at TE for the last 10 years, but that doesn't mean that he is a "good TE". If you stack up the starting TEs in the NFL, I think you'll find that he is in the bottom third of starters.

Because he is reportedly soft against the run and if Von Miller was too small for some at 239, Zach Brown will be VERY undersized for this ridiculous 3-4 defense.

I concur. If you can't judge Colt McCoy yet, then I don't think you can close the book on Fitz yet either. Fitz has a decent #2 WR in Stevie Johnson and a good 4th WR in David Nelson. Campbell is a better TE than the BIlls have had in about 10 years, but he is still no better than a middling starting TE. The OL has been significantly compromised by injury and that has hurt badly too. I am by no means saying that I necessarily believe Fitz is a good starting QB, but I can't say that he couldn't be. Further, I don't believe that Barkley is worth taking that high and RG3 has a lot of questions around him and likely won't go in round 1 at all. I think this team still has to address the defense with pass rushers early and, if they stray from that, they need pass catching talent.

Much easier to play run defense when you know the opposition's offense is playing to kill the clock. If the game had been even or the Bills ahead, the defense would have had a much tougher time bottling up CJ if they couldn't sell out against the run because they'd have had to respect the pass, too.

This team has invested heavily on defense in the draft and free agency in the last 2 years and they are still AWFUL on defense. I believe that there is some talent on this defense including Dareus, Aaron Williams, Barnett, Carrington, etc. At the very least, they can't possibly be this under-talented. The fact that Maybin is producing FAR better than he did here is a HUGE indictment of Edwards and his inability to get the best from his players. I believe that there is some young talent on this team and some try-hard vets also on D, but they are more than getting frustrated and are NOT improving. I think that they should fire Edwards tonight and try to salvage what talent they have on D before they lose all of their confidence and play out as yet 2 more failed draft classes that should be blamed on bad coaching... Comments welcome!

I reluctantly agree. I've wanted to defend Gailey so far, but they had Maybin for 2 years under the immortal George Edwards and he couldn't even get on the field. Now, with the Jets (admittedly, they have better talent around him) he has out-sacked the entire Bills defense excluding the 'Skins game. More an indictment of the coaching staff, especially the FAR-over-his-head Edwards, than the GM IMHO. Edwards is public enemy #1.

Let's ask the same question as every week: How the heck does George Edwards STILL have a job? I know that it is rare to fire a coordinator during the season, but this is horrible. The defense is absolutely horrible.

Yes. At this point, Chan had to be saying thank you that Losman wasn't allowed to carve them up too.

I concur with this. Teams starting at ground zero can scarcely expect to have a good starting lineup and good depth in 1 year. I would like to see a bit more aggressiveness in FA, but that is not the major problem here. The fact is that the cupboard was COMPLETELY bare when Nix and Gailey arrived. Chan worked miracles getting this team off to a fast start. However, it is not his, nor Nix's fault that they lost their starting C and their top 2 LTs (who were questionable themselves). There is no way to really blame them or the OL coach for not being able to patch together an OL after all the injuries they have dealt with. Today, Fitzpatrick and the O had no chance when getting the shotgun snap was a major adventure on every play. Now, the D is truly AWFUL and has better talent than that. They could/should be a middle of the league defense, IMHO. I know that they lack pass rushers, but this is ridiculous. They get NO pressure on the opponent's QB. When Tony Romo and Matt Moore look like world-beaters in two consecutive weeks, it is all on the pass rush.