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I thought we had one like 8 pages ago

No- we just got side tracked into a hypothetical “how does this work” debate. I don’t think anyone is counting this as the end of the line- though of players on the roster, he’s about as high risk for that discussion as it gets, unfortunately

As others mention, we have no idea the terms of the EW settlement. Unless there was some factor that would put him at risk of receiving injury guarantees, I do believe he essentially put the full amount in his pocket. Because why wouldn’t he take what he was entitled to? again, of my hypothetical 30m guaranteed for injury, how much are you bypassing for a football related injury that ends your career doc? You say some, but really how much are you quibbling over here? Do you think the player is returning a few hundred thousand? Or $5-10m?

Tell me doc, and I’ll use bar napkin math here... you play out your rookie deal and sign your first big contract with $30m fully guaranteed. Who knows, maybe 10 times your career earnings to date. You show up to camp and for sake of eliminating ambiguity let’s say that during practice you are paralyzed or have a Teddy B style injury but actually face amputation. There’s no question: you aren’t suiting up again. How much of that $30m that you negotiated to be guaranteed for injury are you giving back to the team?

Theres also a reason you rarely rarely hear about them. Tell me this doc- suppose you sign a big contract with a team and immediately are catastrophically injured in the act of performing your job duties and will never play again. Why would you forego your guaranteed dollars you just negotiated and signed to protect you in this very situation? Now if Morse was a fringe roster guy that wanted time to latch on with another team and recoup some money while getting some game tape for his next opportunity, and the bills had no intention of paying him all season - both sides have motivation to negotiate a release in exchange for a little less money than the anticipated amount of riding out an IR stint. To be fair, I’m just arguing that Doc is being silly, not that I think his career is over. though there are big red flags waving and I do think seeing him play 4 years without further head injury would be mostly luck.

Which 5 minutes into his contract and being hurt at a team event would be paying him the guaranteed money. Essentially. For practical purposes if he was told it’s all done tomorrow he’d sit on IR this year and get cut next and get all his guarantees.

You either cut him, or let him sit on IR just like you can be fired but not forced to retire.

I’d be curious the math on this: sammys 4th and 5th year, and 2 years of Dareus vs 2 years of Benjamin, Starr AND the dareus dead space.

I’m not normally one to think twice of around the league news being out of place but a PS guy 2 years ago signing as camp fodder is a stretch for a thread

Agreed. especially given his position though, I do worry quite a bit about this one though. 4 reported and who knows how many times his bell has been rung without getting caught. given his history, his contract, etc... even if he still starts week 1 this is probably right up there with the most concerning injuries we could see for in camp At a quick glance.. Looks like earliest realist out would be after 2 years with it ending up a 2 year 27-28m type of deal with 5.5m in dead money left behind hopefully does not become a real discussion though.

To get film for another opportunity?

To be fair, he had under 30 yards in 3 of his last 4 with Flacco. The stats trailing off might not be solely Flacco getting hurt but also in part him being a streaky player that had a really good September We definitely have some wildcards in the group but I’ll echo the sentiment that unless a few guys play better than they previously have or put 16 games together at their peak levels... it’s still a weak point but at least nfl caliber this year even if not great. i do hope foster plays like he did down the stretch, brown does like he did out of the gate and Allen shows he can turn a weakness into a strength with Beasley... but it’s a lot to expect all of those to hit. Could happen though

All he said is he was the starter last year and will hold that spot until dethroned. It’s an endorsement but not an insane one. It’s in a lot of ways commentary on their philosophy as much as the player

I picture josh hiding in the restroom during the exchange

From the article: Meanwhile, Rosen showed some of the potential that had the Arizona Cardinals trade up to the tenth-overall pick in 2018 to select him. Tight spirals with some pretty touch led to multiple touchdowns during the practice. Getting some extra first-team snaps after Fitzpatrick was forced to run following the botched snap, Rosen took advantage. That is not to say Rosen was perfect on the day, throwing a couple of inaccurate passes and having at least one interception, but it was clearly the potential quarterback-of-the-future’s best performance, and it was the best performance among the quarterbacks on Saturday. Agreed. Love him or hate him, his career path will be so jacked up it’d be shocking if he actually hits his potential and in the nfl you don’t succeed at qb unless you maximize it

Yup - if you can convert “and short” situations a little better and maintain a 4 minute offense, it’s big... but ultimately it’s not a ground and pound league. It is helpful in controlling some key situations though

Right but with an unconventional running style you have to take a different approach. Which someone will have to help coach him on. Which is kind of the point here.

Which depending on what you think of the guy miiiiight help the case for it being accidental or tainted items and not straight up injecting steroids

Yea it’s neither high, nor terribly risky. The angle looks worse than it appears to really be. And the angle doesn’t look bad either, if you don’t live in bubble wrap daily. The drive there was probably more dangerous than this particular jump. Fall on your head often? im starting to make sense of some things now ?

I think we are an up and down team still. I think the gap between us and most of them is small for the most post. Even if you think we are 70% odds to win any of those, that’d make us 7-3 in that 10 game stretch without thinking any team is better than us.

Even if they are favored against all those I don’t think they are steady enough a team to win all those.

Lets be real- you could give me a photo lineup with 5 guys, 3 of which being non starting WRs for this team and it’d be dumb luck if I choose a bill yet alone Ray Ray our if the group

I’d agree polarizing is hyperbole but he’s anything but settled. If he’s 2-6 and 52% completions with pretty even TD:int in October, it’ll get pretty polarized quickly.

If they put another ring on, a championship and couple middling seasons would still be far better than average (ie at least 15 teams better). If just evaluating the 2022 season, I’d agree it’s a long shot for them to be top tier. I don’t hate Allen but any questioning of him gets pretty aggressively shouted down. So I tend to stay out of it. I think hes he’s got all the tools but still a coin flip on whether he’s the guy and don’t have much desire to argue about him being at a crossroad and qb development being rather fickle and unpredictable at this stage (IMO) hes likable, and I wish him well. I don’t think many want to tear the guy down even if they have concerns.

Not arguing with you on this so much as pointing out the asinine nature of the jets position in mentioning how thoroughly set the precedent is... has any top 5 guy not gotten this deal? If they are unwilling to sign the standard format contract for that pick, one might suggest trading back, right?