NoSaint

While I get your point I do push back a little that the controversy is almost never as big as we make it on a message board. would it catch some off hand mentions on Sunday morning Espn game preview marathons? Sure. Would it be a CNN story even 5 minutes from now? Probably not.

what would have been the proper way? would those most angry have reacted with less skepticism and a more open mind if he had a press conference that night declaring mason called him a ********, instead of doing it at a closed door hearing? while I certainly get the skepticism and am not advocating for believing all reports... I’m simply saying I think 99% of the reactions would’ve been identical and reflected what “team” you are on regardless of the way the accusation came to light.

I mean, ultimately, we don’t know what happened. So it’s a bit of confirming our own biases to go hard in the paint like that.

yup - and a lot of times these talks focus on coaches and players but a good staff in the quality dept doing the pre-work and splicing stuff up, catching tendencies etc... before the coaching staff even sits down goes a long way and is already in progress.

what’s your password? Maybe we can try for you?

you’ve already decided why it happened and the response has no effect. What do you want from other posters here?

it’s not a conspiracy. The Nfl has simply directed that short of an egregious and likely seemingly intentional act they aren’t doing it. quite literally they are treating it as an nfc championship game rule not as an any given Sunday occurrence. I’m on the fence with how I feel about that but it seems the reality and I’m not sure that a high threshold requires talk of conspiracy under that thought why isn’t every call the same way? i think none of them want every deep ball with contact to be challenged so they said to only give it to the worst of the worst

I look forward to number 51 this was a riveting topic

totally blacked out the last 20 years, eh?

He’s a big time player when he’s on. My concern was whether he’d be that guy for 16 games. So far, so good! Getting him 3 years on a reasonable deal is great. If we can add another piece to the passing game it should go a long way to being a consistent threat on offense.

You’re seeing ghosts joe. go ahead and fight them all week though, if it floats your boat

You’ll really show ‘em. I’m sure...

give it a rest. We get it.

Feels like the vikes called timeout too fast

no doubt possible- Though I think it’s easy to have a quiet workout with a random scout still. honestly, as we seem to have a relatively anti-CK lean at TBD I tend to find myself defending him a bit more here than I do in my day to day chatter on the subject. I like to have both sides show up in the thread though so I’m skewing a little towards telling his narrative

If (and I’ll keep stressing if) Florio is right and the nfl asked him to sign a waiver that would release the nfl from future claims of collusion against him - and he believed this was a sham... then it’s real easy to walk away from a bunch of random scouts. on some level, let’s be real and if these teams had a lick of genuine interest they could’ve seen him any of the last 1,000 or so days unless he’s secretly turning down workouts

indeed. This should be a bright line moment if we ever see it. Now that its disputed I don’t feel the need to assume which sides lying though. Wait and see.

what if I think the nfl has plenty of schmucks at corporate, and Colin got caught in clumsily trying to make a difference and didn’t do it well — but today was never about football for either side?

I’ve thrown the all caps “IF” quite a few times but apparently according to CKs team it’s not. We will see if we ever see it. now that the nfl is on record as it being the same baseline for all workouts and kaps team says it was “unusual” and broader reaching.... well either it’s the same thing he’s signed many times before or it’s not. And one side won’t look good.

today never made sense of a football level. Or a player rejoining the league. He could’ve worked out with any or all teams any day for the last 3 years so a sudden all hands on deck workout arranged by the nfl seemed... odd... for a reason. now that it’s coming out that the nfl had settled past missed earnings but not future claims makes it all make a ton more sense.

the Florio train of thought was: he has rights to sue for continued collusion nfl sets up workout that he can’t pass on or he’d look like he’s passing up opportunities at said workout spring a waiver of all future claims on him and if he refuses to sign you act like he’s being crazy and would be a cancer. ill keep saying IF here, but IF they didn’t just give him a standard workout document, I don’t blame CK for backing out the allegation is he didn’t get it til late in the process and the nfl gave him the final refusal of edits today I believe

Allegedly he was given a very broad ranging waiver releasing the nfl from any future claims of employment issues and not just the standard injury release

yea- though I do think the nfl is using it’s PR machine to pray on the folks that are eager to condemn CK I suspect he’s more the Steelers qb than the browns lineman, as culpability goes in today’s edition of the mess

big if here but if the reports from Florio are true- it’s largely the NFL that overstepped normal conventions here. seems fair the guy should’ve just been given a standard injury waiver That you’d see at a workout and not one absolving the nfl from any future employment claims.

At this point it seems the nfl was trying to get him to sign off on some bad legal documents to participate in this show that they put together and CK decided to go up the street and host an open event instead.