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You want to make yourself feel better about the seeming disparity between the two teams by finding a linear reason why it "might" change. Success in the NFL isn't simply linear though.........the Chiefs could make bad personnel decisions that set them back and the Bills could make good ones that propel them......or simply Mahomes could blow out a knee next year and the Bills could be provided with a much clearer path to a SB........which if they won nobody would put an asterisk on. There are lots of ways the Bills could overtake the Chiefs.......more experience in their "re-build" makes no sense though. If there are more than 5-6 Bills players that were on the AFCCG roster that are still on this 53 man roster in 4 years later it will be a surprise. You don't stack cheese in the NFL you gotta' be constantly changing and adapting.

Ir-*****-relevant, your honor. The Texans would be professionally wrong to trade Watson this offseason regardless of what or how fervently they worship.

What looked like a red flag......"here we go a guy who will make decisions based on his religion at the expense of talent".........was not a big problem at all. The situation in Houston is such that people think that the "jesus freaks" that run the team are going to make it difficult to stop the trajectory that Bill O'Brien put the team on. You'd have to have read and understand the arguments for why people think Watson has a right to demand a trade to get the context.

I am referring to Terry Pegula's "man of faith" Sean McDermott Jauron-balling his way to 9-7 in 2017.

Ultimately this thread is just meaningless fluff discussion. The two teams have elite level starting QB's who have both started in the league for 3 seasons but have had vastly different results. Going forward they have similar concerns with regard to their roster construction and salary cap concerns. One team isn't automatically more likely to take a step forward or backward than the other just because of how long the coach has been there.........they both will need to adapt. If you want to try to draw timelines the one that matters includes HOW they got where they are......which starts with Andy Reid arriving in KC and helping shape what Buffalo is now by snatching up Alex Smith, winning games that kept the Bills out of the playoffs and then fleecing the Bills for Patrick Mahomes. And yes, Tre White and Tremaine Edmunds for Mahomes is a fleecing. None of which is necessarily important going forward.........other than the fact that it's been one-sided in favor of the Chiefs to this point and they have momentum after two beatings they administered to the Bills this season.

Think of the pressure for one of those rookie QB's following Deshaun Watson on a bad team though. They need to wipe the slate clean in Houston if they aren't keeping Watson, IMO. I understand people think that the front office has an extreme religious view point but there was a similar red flag when Terry Pegula.......who I suspected was less than the most pious man after the Rex hiring...........introduced McD as a "man of faith" in the very first breath of his introduction. That was weird........180 degree turn from the guy the Pegs had hired and partied with on their yacht and actively promoted their foolishness with their Ryan Bros TV show etc..... And the "man of faith" Jauron-balled it thru a controversial re-build and has somewhat toned down the religious stuff as the team has gotten better and it has ultimately worked out.

Beane established an NFL record for dead cap money accrued that offseason. Take what you want from that. His 2018 free agent class was also dead money walking........simply awful. Beane has improved greatly after that very rough start in cap management....................he and McD have seemingly shown an ability to learn from mistakes.........it would just behoove them to not make the wrong turn the first time, every time going forward.........because they are going to have to adapt like everyone else if they want to become a long term success story.

The appetite for teams that want Watson can only grow over the next year if he sits out, IMO. Maybe the value of what those teams can trade in draft capital changes for the lesser......but ultimately I think the OVERALL value(picks + players) won't be any less. This isn't a generational draft, IMO. Having the 2nd or 3rd pick isn't likely to provide a talent they couldn't acquire next year. A trade right now only throws a whole lotta' miscellaneous weight on a rudderless ship. If Watson doesn't play then maybe Culley should just go Jauron ball and try to fix his locker room and get the right kind of attitude installed in it and THEN the Texans might actually have an idea of what they even want and need to go forward. Maybe in that time they even actually find a team that can trade them a young franchise QB+ for their elite QB.

It's not an idea.......it's the fact of the matter. Furthermore........I left out the fact that the Chiefs and Bills were the two teams vying to acquire Alex Smith.........and mind you, this is just months after Smith lead the 49ers offense to 630 yards of offense in a game against the Bills. Obviously still a Bills team record for most yards allowed. The Chiefs won that duel too by coughing up an extra second round pick which at the time got everyone's backs up on TSW because they thought the Chiefs had hurt themselves overpaying and Buddy was right not to. Reid is 5-1 against the Bills since he came to KC..........and 2-0 when it comes to acquiring good/great QB's at the Bills expense. Like I said........the Bills roster is not younger than the Chiefs......and any notion that it takes MORE than 4 years in a job for a HC to build up a program enough to win a Super Bowl is utter nonsense. In the free agency era its MUCH more common for a coach to win their first SB with that organization within their first 4 years than it is AFTER. There are reasons for that.........re-builds can get over-ripe on the vine in the salary cap era.......and coaches who can't adapt their schemes(perhaps like McDermott with his defense this season) start seeing diminishing returns. Reid is still thriving because he adapts.........not because his system has traction now that he has been there 8 years. It's definitely one of those Sal Capaccio "what fans don't understand" topics apparently.

Reid and Marrone were hired at the same time. That's the timeline that matters........when Reid arrived in KC. The Bills and Chiefs were pretty comparable rosters during the Marrone/Rex regimes........it seemed like every year there was a key swing game between them and Reid would always come out on top. There was a home game where Manny Lawson gave up contain for two long runs to Jamal Charles in a game the Bills should have won and another home game they should have won where Jeff Tuel threw that pick six when he had the Bills near the goal line..........then of course the game under Rex where Watkins had like 200 yards receiving in the first half and then the Bills managed to blow that game too! Three defeats snatched from the jaws of victory that really hurt the Bills playoff chances and enhanced those of the Chiefs.........which greatly contributed to McDermott even being here. By that time, if you were paying attention, the Chiefs should have been getting on your nerves. So the new guy McDermott comes in and what does he do? Trades Mahomes to KC when the organization desperately needs a QB. That season the Bills finally got an important win in KC........but KC still made the playoffs. They've been up the Bills azz since Reid got to KC. People might not like THAT timeline but this "we're only in year 4" bullsh*t does not tell the story of these two franchises at all and it's not like the Bills have a roster that's 4 years younger(it's older actually) or that they are separated by like $100M in cap space(only about $20M). They are peers who are in very similar stages in their development...........the Bills just have had less success.

Beane killed the most money in NFL history in the 2018 offseason.........I'm sure he'd gladly give up that distinction.

I was just watching them discussing it on NFL network. They are always quoting Next Gen so probably on the NFL.com site.

I wouldn't totally discount the "loser's limp" aspect........... but he did have to run 497 yards against Tampa per next gen stats. He barely had to move off his spot against Buffalo, unfortunately.

Better than some yes but the ones at the top are super-appealing for a variety of reasons. We'll see about the quality of players. I don't suspect the pool to be very deep in the Bills 2 most serious areas of need......pass rushers and playmaking TE's. I think those are going to cost them something more than a discounted deal.

I suspect there will be a lot of posters here whose lives will feel rudderless after the Bills win their first SB..........but Scott won't be one of them.......the journey is the reward.....that's why he can be critical. For too many here the destination is too clearly the reward. That's all the team is for them and it's why they are so easily offended by criticism of the team. Good example of what I'm talking about is WGR's Bulldog and his Red Sox fandom. He was a die-hard, watch-every-Red Sox game and worry about the tiny details guy...........and once they won that first WS he lost interest. He got the reward and instead of it improving his experience it left him wanting less.

I expect them to as well but they might have to make trades to get the guys they really want.......because I think that the other top contenders will have the same idea in mind. I think KC, Tampa, Green Bay and maybe even the LA Rams will have first dibs on the ring chaser types. Bills and Ravens likely second tier. Example: JJ Watt. Checks the boxes Beane wants......big and physical and still a solid pass rusher. From Wisconsin, has been used to living in a warmer climate like Tampa where the GOAT plays, has lost to Mahomes in the playoffs despite a 24-0 lead and could really set up his next career even more if he were stationed in LA. You really think the Bills get first dibs on him if he is a free agent willing to take less to get that ring?

Make the ice surface mobile so it can be moved to the football stadium so they can get 80K for Leafs games. Gotta' tap that maple syrup.

Yeah I do believe that the coup that his buddy James Harden pulled off really motivated Watson to try to do the same. Harden didn't have any leverage but he was still able to get it done. I find it impossible to believe that Watson, and more obviously, his agency didn't see the impending state of the franchise when they signed that contract this summer. At the time they probably thought that 2020 would be competitive and then they might have to take a step back and re-load in 2021. It doesn't take long to turn around NFL teams but this offseason was not going to be kind to the Texans either way. As bad as the Texans state is right now they could easily be back in ascend-mode with Watson in 2022 and frankly he's not going to be playing with a bunch of bums on offense, they would still be fun to watch on that side of the ball.

The kicker is that they are cap strapped. It's complicated for them to even take on good veterans in trade to offset their risk. I saw a trade in the most recent TDN mock draft had a trade with the Dolphins kicking in Xavien Howard. The Texans can't take Howard.......he has a $12M+ cap hit. Miami would have to convert huge money to signing bonus before they trade him to make it work. And his value in Houston would be diminished by being in a re-build. A trade can be worked but almost any way you look at it the Texans get jacked. They are just plain better off letting him sort thru his feelings and hoping he comes back or kicking the trade down the road a year where they can actually ACCEPT some of the things they would be offered.

No that's just the look that QB's get when they realize Mike Remmers is their starting tackle in the SB. Two-time SB least valuable player.

No question, Watson. I like Darnold's potential but Watson is literally GREAT. The chances of Darnold becoming that good are remarkably low. 5 first round picks is mathematically likely to yield you 2.5 very good players and 2.5 duds. When you don't have an elite QB you need A LOT more than 2-3 good players. And if you use one of those first round picks on a QB.......odds of getting just a "franchise" QB are historically around 15%. The math is very much against the Texans getting commensurate value in the long run.

That is fiction. Watson is one of the 3-4 most valuable trade pieces in the entire NFL out of nearly 2,000 players. First round picks only pan out to the level of "worth picking up the 5th year option" at a 50% rate. The math is very much against Houston getting commensurate value..........regardless of the size of the haul of picks.

The Texans have been around for 19 seasons and try as they might to fill that QB position with an elite player they have only had a little over 3 seasons of having an elite QB play. You can say that it is in the "interests" of both parties to trade Watson..........but that's only true if they get his value in return. If it took them 16 years to get an elite QB.........how many first round picks is that worth with the reality that it could easily take 16 more of them to get his replacement worth? Short of getting back a franchise QB in return.........for which there are neither logical trade matches nor any reason to believe that Watson would waive his no trade clause for........its ABSOLUTLEY not in the best interest of the Texans to trade him. It's also a terrible precedent for the league. It's an unthinkable scenario, really. Literally no different than if Josh Allen suddenly decided he was just plain homesick living 3000 miles from his family farm and demanded to be traded to his hometown 49ers. If that starts happening the NFL will have to change it's rules to make the league much more run-centric to maintain competitive balance. Which is bad for both the league AND the elite QB's.

I suspect Peterson as a free agent is more likely to end up bolstering the secondary of a team that stands in the way of a Bills SB win than ending up in Buffalo. Quality veteran UFA's who might take a discount to chase rings in KC and Tampa are not good news for Buffalo. I suspect the Bills will try to get out in front of competing for a ring chasing impact veteran by trading something for them rather than have it become a choice of Mahomes, Brady.......or Allen. Allen is an elite QB but given the choice you can expect players to believe more in the guys with the rings.

Nah.......always have the TSW version of "The Truman Show" to tune into. We've got to watch you grow up on here. It's been cute watching your time-of-life affected opinions pop up. Such conviction every time. The lack of middle ground is what makes it so entertaining. 😁