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The Great Tremaine Edmunds Debate
BADOLBILZ replied to JohnNord's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
And the Browns let playmaking Joe Schobert walk to the Jags. The reality is that the position is de-valued for a reason. Everyone thinks "teams are passing more we need great coverage LB's".............well KC basically played the AFCCG without LB's and won with ease. The Ravens could easily have been in the AFCCG with maybe the worst MLB in the NFL last year in Patrick Queen. MLB is nice to be strong at.........but it's not steering teams to success............the NFC is the weaker conference for a reason.........they've got all the best MLB's and few of the best QB's. -
No question Beane dropped the ball when he passed on playmakers AJ Brown and DK Metcalf in round 2 of 2019. They NEEDED that player for Josh Allen in 2019..........not another developmental offensive guard with right tackle flexibility in Cody Ford. That error cost them two All Pro type talents.......Wyatt Teller's roster spot and one of those WR's. But comparing the processing ability and accuracy of 2019 Josh Allen to 2020 is way off base. Allen improved greatly. In 2019 he left hundreds of yards on the table to wide open receivers deep. That wasn't a lack of receiving talent issue. This year he was hitting a good % of those passes while greatly improving his accuracy and ball placement on short to intermediate throws. He would have been better in 2019 with a stud WR to go with his excellent targets in Beasley and Brown.........but he wasn't at a stage of his game where he was going to elevate the game of guys like Hill or Kelce by 30%+ like Mahomes did INSTANTLY as a first time starter in KC. Allen is a work in progress..........Mahomes was ready to be the league's QB1 as soon as he was given the opporunity. For reference go check his early season stats in 2018 where he was just putting up pinball machine numbers right out of the gate.
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Tyreek Hill impressed by Justin Zimmer
BADOLBILZ replied to YoloinOhio's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
He makes plays. That extraordinary speed and quickness catches people by surprise which has a tendency of freeing up the football. The much-deservedly-maligned Tremaine Edmunds has traits that could allow him to do the same but not as an uninstinctive off-ball LB. In his first game as a pro he had a strip sack in Baltimore. The more he learned the system the less impactful he became. We should be seeing those kind of plays on the regular from #49. For those people who want me to admit that I was wrong about something...........I thought Zimmer was going to make the 2016 Bills team. So I was wrong. But so did former resident TSW draft and camp analyst Astro. -
Hill's ascension to a first team all-pro WR happened when he got Mahomes as his QB in 2018. As @NewEra stated Hill was the first team all-pro return man in 2016. For perspective, Andre Roberts was first team all-pro return man in 2018. Kelce was first team all-pro but that was relative.........Mahomes has basically increased his production by about 30% which is crazy considering he was already well into his prime and outstanding. That's not to detract from those players but my point stands..........they were not nearly as lethal with "only" a pro bowl QB in Alex Smith..........in fact, that's why they went out and paid $16M per year to get Sammy Watkins.........they didn't feel they were explosive enough. The 2017 Bills were able to shut them down and that was when they had the league's leading rusher as well. Mahomes is a HUGE difference maker. As for whether either will have greater weapons........who knows? Allen's receivers caught more passes than any NFL team since 1995. Once he gets paid they won't likely be able to have a $30M three man WR corps anymore like they do now. Mahomes has one more year before his cap # comes up and Allen has two. At that point they both might have to make due with a little less.
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The Great Tremaine Edmunds Debate
BADOLBILZ replied to JohnNord's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
I agree with most of that but the Bills are most definitely chasing their elite pass rusher...........that's where I find the Edmunds usage discouraging. -
The Great Tremaine Edmunds Debate
BADOLBILZ replied to JohnNord's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Actually I have liked all of the players the Bills selected in round 1 since McD got here. Of course, at the time, I assumed Edmunds was going to be an OLB with a chance to be developed as a game-breaking pass rusher. The MLB experiment has resulted in a whole lotta' "meh"...........hasn't worked because Edmunds is just not an instinctive MLB.......that position really needs to be a mirror of the RB position and he is nothing like a RB in any way, shape or form. So keeping him at MLB is a waste of a player who could have had the impact of a TJ Watt, IMO. You can get that 2021 cap room info on spotrac but roughly: Colts $80M WFT $45M Bucs $40M Ravens $30M Browns $30M Bills $5M Chiefs are over the cap by $20M but they are BUILT. They aren't chasing and their key players are under contract. The Colts probably have the best roster in the AFC aside from the QB position. The Ravens are the team most Bills fans are sleeping on because they think Lamar can't pass the ball. They're wrong. I don't want to see him get a couple weapons in the passing game but that's exactly what the Ravens are going to do. -
The Great Tremaine Edmunds Debate
BADOLBILZ replied to JohnNord's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
He gets voted to the Pro Bowl because he plays a devalued position and there simply aren't many good MLB's in the AFC. I mean........name ANY Chiefs linebacker? They are the favorites in the Super Bowl and their LB's are JAG's. If you are going to put big chips into the MLB position he needs to be a playmaking machine..........otherwise it's a waste. -
The Great Tremaine Edmunds Debate
BADOLBILZ replied to JohnNord's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Edmunds is good in pass defense? He had a 114 passer rating against and less passes defensed than Mario Addison. Everyone expects him to just get better with age.........what they forget is the lesson we learned from the likes of JP Losman and Trent Edwards......... the more weaknesses they put on tape the more teams were able to exploit their weaknesses. With Edmunds......this season QB's threw at his man when Edmunds was right on him because they've learned that Edmunds does not have a nose for the football..........he does not make big plays and force or collect turnovers..........so if you throw at him the worst thing that can happen is the ball ends up on the turf. -
I think Allen is there already. He's great. Mahomes is there too and he's simply proven to be greater. Their contests have been no-contest. They've both been starters in the NFL since 2018 and their teams are in relatively similar cap situations so I don't think it's to be assumed that the Bills and Allen can get better and the Chiefs and Mahomes can't. Beane has been competing against "Billsy" for the past few seasons.......now he has to actually out maneuver the Chiefs while also fending off teams like Indy and Baltimore who are also right on the Bills heels.
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You're frustrated because it's maddening knowing that they passed on a QB and he's dominating the league and has now directly blocked the Bills from a SB. Tough talk isn't going to change that. But your point about Josh having to develop his talent and team.......that is probably the best chance that Allen has to catch Mahomes. Mahomes makes uber-athletic Deshaun Watson look robotic by comparison so making it look easy like him isn't a realistic option for any current QB. But it's come easy for Mahomes. Allen was a nobody in HS with zero family professional pedigree as an athlete. Mahomes was top prospect in both baseball and basketball and his dad was a pitcher in the major leagues for a long time so everyone in the scouting community knew about him. He was a non-stop one man highlight reel throwing the football in college......where Allen had to grind and struggle, only showing flashes of brilliance. It's come incredibly easy for Mahomes.......mostly by his own doing.......but nonetheless he hasn't had to fight to make it. If his team keeps sleep-walking into title games it's not out of the realm of reason that he could eventually lose his edge.
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The "2 weapons that are HOF candidates" were on the field.......along with the NFL's leading rusher Kareem Hunt........when a Bills defense that had just experienced their worst 3 game stretch in franchise history went to KC and shut down Reid and his Chiefs in 2017. With just a top 10-12 QB in the NFL in Alex Smith they weren't that scary. Too much is made of the significance of Mahomes "weapons". Mahomes elevates the level of those around him...........the AFCCG where the Chiefs were piling up yards of RAC? That was just taking the low hanging fruit. He wasn't pressured or stressed at all. If he had to push the ball down the field more he could have. They absolutely toyed with the Bills scared and tentative defensive strategy.
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I would say Olajuwon would be the better comp. The Bills passed on Mahomes to get to Allen.......sorta' like the Rockets passed on Jordan by taking Olajuwon. Like the Bills.........they LITERALLY could have drafted either. I'd take that........"The Dream" won 2 titles in Jordan's absence.......but let's hope for more.
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And scouts are scouts because there aren't enough better jobs as gym teachers. Here's how the system works: The NFL knows scouting is a very inexact science. They pay their scouts accordingly.........very little. Draftniks pay attention and $ to a network of needy scouts to help them put a framework of players together. They follow the tips and probably at least scout that framework. If Mitch Morse isn't in that framework..........he is either ignored or assumed to be something that teams of regional scouts have totally missed. Which is rarely the case.........but at the same time for every Mitch Morse there is a TJ Graham. "Surprise Bills fans! Nobody had us taking TJ Graham so early.......see those dumb "pundits"." The NFL is one of the few industries where the formula for making the product is more valuable as a product for public consumption than as a trade secret.
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Is The Answer @ DE Already On The Team?
BADOLBILZ replied to H2o's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
No. Shaq returned to his "meh" self once he got paid. Addison was a disappointment but he was a one year commitment.............Miami is stuck with Shaq for next year because the dead cap is over $10M to cut him. Addison's dead cap is $4M.........which sucks.........but at least that's $6M in 2021 cap room that could in theory go into year one of a long term deal for a legitimate pass rusher. Ultimately $10M+ DE's that don't move the needle in pass rush like Lawson and Addison aren't a fit for this style of defense. -
History? Hey some of our best baseball players gave up a couple years of their careers to help save you soccer playing, injury faking wimps from Hitler and this is the respect you give? Sheesh. Josh Booty is actually a good example of why we have better athletes at QB today.........the guaranteed baseball money was huge compared to the earnings potential as a QB in football at the time. Booty wanted more than anything to be the QB at LSU but he couldn't pass on the huge guaranteed money. Drew Henson followed him as famous dual sport athlete QB but Henson actually preferred baseball(and he was signed with the Yankees, who you of course have never heard of or seen people wearing Yankee hats around town I'm sure). They both should have stuck with football.......the increase in degree of difficulty from HS to pro football is much less than in pro baseball. Much easier to project that's why after failing at baseball they were able to practically walk off the street into reserve roles in the NFL. With all the arm talent in the US it amazes me that we still have QB's at the Shrine game and Senior Bowl every year who can't even throw a football but at least it's almost to a point where every team at least has a starting QB who can pass for one.
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And thereby also the nephew of the more historically significant Josh Booty..........the 5th overall pick of the 1994 MLB draft while also the #1 football recruit(QB) in the nation.
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Between Addison, Butler and Jefferson in terms of potential production going forward..........I'd rather keep Butler..........but not at that cap hit. Pretty sure they were hoping to replicate the Jordan Phillips experience with Butler as another huge 3T but of course Butler ended up playing a ton of 1T.
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If it's Andrew Luck news and it's not from @stuvian...........it's fake.
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Because he wasn't being mocked as day one or even a day two pick until the draftniks actually got their late draft season info from the actual team scouts. And c'mon.......don't tell me about measurables making it impossible for a player not to be drafted early..........there are obviously a TON of examples of that not being the case. Not sure what circumstances were unfortunate..........drafted to a good team.........given a starting job..........signed to a record contract for a center............the only unfortunate thing IMO is being stationed at center when he should have been a tackle.
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As you might say.......I will trust the expert opinion over yours. (IMO Wood is the best Bills analyst) Yep it must have sucked to be a running back behind that blocking. By seasons end they weren't giving 100% on every play.........why would they? They are human beings they aren't going to run full speed into the hole over and over knowing that it's just going to end in an untouched defender getting a free run at a violent collision for little gain. I can remember a specific run play against Miami early in the finale where Moss had what should have been an easy 12-15 yard gain but he was stopped after 8. I was exasperated watching that sh*t but it wasn't a lack of ability on his part.......the tentativeness was self preservation. It became 'trust but verify" out there for the RB's and he who hesitates.....
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They could save his $7M base salary and might be able to pursue re-imbursement for his remaining unamortized bonus money of around $5.5M if he chose to retire. Not going to happen though. No way his agent let's him just retire with a "healthy" designation and give back money. If he decides to call it quits they would just end up releasing him and take the hit and save $5M total.
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I thought it was worth a look putting him at tackle when they first got him and he was already in concussion protocol before even playing a preseason game. But at this point I think the damage is probably done. At RT he has a better chance of defending himself but as susceptible as he seems to be now there are still going to be collisions violent enough to knock him out of the lineup.