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They ruined it with the grazer on the back.

Exactly. And if you give Mahomes and Hill time..........it doesn't matter who was at CB........they were getting beaten that day. This idea that Tre White would have been the difference in that game is thoroughly unsupported............they simply didn't make the plays in the front 7 that day that would have made the secondary effective enough to change the results. Funny how Bills fans know this is the case with Allen and Diggs versus, say, JC Jackson. But oh no.........Tre White can cover Tyreek Hill for 4 seconds snap after snap for 4+ quarters. Right. Jalen Ramsey is about as good as it gets actually matched up against receivers in the NFL and he got famously burned REPEATEDLY in the playoffs and Super Bowl too. Elite offense done right is a handful..........which makes over-investing in defense a suspect approach.

Man.........if they use another 1st rounder on a defensive player.........making it 6 out of 8 (Allen and Diggs being the exceptions).........this board will be heated.

The simple answer is re-watch the AFC championship game from 2020 where Hill ate up Tre White. Below is Tyreek Hills performance from that game. 4 minutes of Hill abusing Bills CB's........and quite notably, Tre White. The first play and 1:48 mark where Hill runs by White like he's standing still and the play after that where White just concedes a 3rd and 5 with a ridiculously scared cushion. The problem in both of those games was a lack of finishing pass rush.......not the CB play.

How predictable is it that after Star gets cut.......people who defended his play are now talking sh*t about him. That's the TBD two-step.

Well played by the PR team.......cut off criticism by claiming to have done it to BENEFIT the aspect that critics will be most likely to criticize them for.........in this case, the impact on the players.

They had formed a loose alliance to help each other out last year after Texas and Oklahoma jumped to the SEC.

"On December 30, 1995, Buffalo broke the league record for rushing yards in a game with 341, winning 37–22. This was Shula's last game in the NFL."

Good for Tim Tindale. His part in throwing dirt on Shula's professional grave will always be appreciated. A buddy of his told me Tindale was living the fine life on a small lake north of Toronto and still rooting for the Bills. One of @Bob Lamb all time favorite Bills.

I disagreed with your take even though much of it was true. Because the problem is that the things he does are NOT all that he was expected to be doing. You don't draft a MLB in round 1 and eventually pay a $12.7M in cap hit to just cover some areas and "cover a gap" in run defense. He's supposed to make plays. In effect, they just replaced Preston Brown with a younger guy who looked better in pads. If they wanted this level of play they could have kept Preston for another couple years and gone from there. At least Preston proved he could actually lead the entire NFL in tackles at the position in this defense(as Brown did under McDermott in 2017). To whom much is given..........much is expected. He was given the pivotal, playmaking position in the McDefense. The run is funneled to him and offenses are challenged to throw in front of him. He hasn't turned that into plays.

The Big Ten were the middle child of the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 alliance. That's what this move is about. Big Ten is trying to change their position, that's why they betrayed their alliance with the ACC. Big Ten was conspiring to get into that second position of power behind SEC. The Big Ten has been turning into Ohio State and the pips so even though it's terrible for the students.......financially it's a chance worth taking. Situation was reversed, ACC would have done the same. What this really does is make it all but inevitable that there will eventually be one top league among the power teams.........with networks and streaming services bidding like they do on the NFL. The sooner the better, IMO. This whole "conference" thing is very unseemly. It's been pro ball for decades now..........players just haven't been getting paid. Let all these greedy corporations disguising themselves as institutions of higher learning get exposed for what they are: wholly profit driven businesses. The upside.........maybe FOR ONCE the NFL will regret NOT doing something. In this case.......NOT starting a "G League" style minor league. You would be hard pressed to find a major business that has ever benefitted as much from hyper-conservative, wait-and-see decision making than the NFL. But don't count the NFL out from eventually stealing it from these schools. That's the thing these greedy f*cking schools don't realize........their strength is their numbers. If it gets down to 30 teams or so........all bets are off..........because ultimately these players all have ONE THING in mind. NFL careers.

Most of the league is playing 4-2-5 and only one team has the unicorn.

If this is turning into an @Royale with Cheese shaming thread I want no part of it. If not, I will point out that Long Duck could hold his own in the WNBA.

I agree with all of that.......except he is not mediocre.........he's a top 12-15 type starting MLB/ILB in the league. He's just very underachieving. He's a country mile from being the best player on the Bills defense...........just in the back 7 he's obviously lesser than Tre White and also guys like Milano and Hyde who were drafted on day 3.........and Poyer who was an UDFA. Whitner was also underachieving...........though at his position he was hamstrung by the Bills lack of talent in front of him. Which of course was the big complaint with his selection(instead of Haloti Ngata in particular) in the first place. You don't build a defense from the outside inward. Some times the organization CREATES a whipping boy. If Edmunds went in round 3......like Brandon Smith, the Penn State LB from this past draft with a lot of impressive physical traits.........we'd all be like "well, they knew there was something that made him lesser than the sum of his parts".

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Leonard has intercepted 11 passes (Edmunds 4), forced 17 fumbles(just 2 for Edmunds) and recovered 7 fumbles(ZERO for Edmunds) with 15 sacks(5.5 for Edmunds) and 538 tackles(463). All done in 3 less games than Edmunds. That's why Leonard is an All Pro every year........and Tremaine has never been.

You could be right..........I certainly haven't agreed with all of their contract decisions. But I think it's more all or nothing. He either meets his pre-draft expectations of becoming a game changing, All Pro, playmaker type...........or they HAVE to get much cheaper at the position. They can't continue to rob the offense to pay the defense unless that defense is capable of imposing their will on the best offenses. If he becomes that DPOY candidate it could really transform their defense. Then they can give him a 7 year deal that's really a 3 or 4 year deal and make some sense of it. If a deal like Milano was going to work for both parties I think that would have been done after year 3 when the stars of the first round usually start getting extended. He was healthier last year and tackled better as a result, but otherwise...........nothing changed other than prices for the VERY best at the position increasing.

If he takes that next step..........and to this point, starting to play "instinctively" has proven to be a huge step too far for him..........he would be an All Pro........then the question is do they pay him $20M per year? For reference, the "Legion of Boom" Seahawks paid their back 7 big bucks at the expense of the rest of the team and look where that lead them to. If he stays where he was at in 2021..........I don't see him being retained even for Milano money. So there is, or at least "should be", a pretty narrow runway to him landing long term deal in Buffalo, IMO.

1. You are the one who intentionally asked a dumb question. Any vague "context" you sought was already in the thread. That will be the last question of yours I ever answer though, your "ask a stupid question" technique is worn out. Try a new angle. 2. They didn't draft or develop Eric Wood.........so it's patently absurd to say that extending just one of the organizations high draft picks(the oldest one with the least room to develop) while clearing out a half dozen of the teams other younger, highly drafted players somehow backs up their claims. 3. Eric Wood was 31, coming off a broken leg and entering a new system. He'd been replaced by a journeyman for the last 2 months of the 2016 season and the offense didn't miss a beat. But perhaps most importantly, Wood was not going anywhere if he simply played out the 2017 season. It was simply carelessness with cap dollars. Beane has done a lot of positive things.........the most important of which is probably keeping ownership from getting involved in football decisions........but in the process his autonomy over the purse strings has lead to some idiotic money decisions. Giving Shady $2M bonus in 2017 when he was already one of the highest paid RB's in the league? Paying Corey Coleman $3.5M for a 10 day tryout? I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he is learning on the job, but we don't have to pretend that he wasn't careless with cap space and that it doesn't have a negative impact on the organization today.

That's a great example of Edmunds lack of instincts and just general inability to think quickly on his feet. He jumps HARD inside even though he should know there is no chance that Mahomes would ever throw that ball. Ever. He took the most egregious of cheese like he was a preseason camp body MLB.

As "guaranteed contract league's" like MLB and the NBA/NHL have proven......it definitely can be both. The player can have a some kind of trade value but it can be low enough and the roster can be shallow enough at the position to make it not worthwhile to eat 8 figures of salary and make a trade when you are chasing a championship. That's the situation the Yankees found themselves in with Joey Gallo this offseason as well. They had a lot of trade interest in spring but also no depth at the position.......so they were hoping for the light to turn on for him with a new season. Edmunds situation is similar.........the Bills are still keeping the possibility open that the light will come on for him fully and he will start playing up to his All-Pro-like physical gifts. Again, I'm not saying Edmunds is destined to fall off a cliff like Gallo has......it's likely been a worst case scenario with Gallo as a hitter............but another reason why this comp is relevant is because Edmunds is the rare non-QB who is playing on a fully guaranteed "baseball-like" contract. And back to trade value........what really kills the trade value Edmunds may have is that he has a very high $12.7M cap number for 2021..........and absolutely zero motivation whatsoever to lower that cap figure without getting a long term deal at the top of the market. Any team that is looking to pay much of anything in draft picks for a one year rental of a $13M MLB in trade likely considers themselves a contender. Contenders generally have less cap space.

No it's merely meant to be an example of just how far teams will go to not criticize an underachieving player when they are stuck with him and a big guaranteed $ commitment. That said, Joey Gallo(the outfielder in question) and Edmunds were similar level of players in their respective sports until a year ago when Gallo fell into a prolonged slump(that continues still). Both were 2 time league All-Star/Pro Bowl players with things they do very well. Gallo the best defensive outfielder in the American League at his position twice and possessing enormous power. Edmunds........he has been really durable. And he's young. And produces a respectable amount of tackles and CAN cover a lot of ground in pass defense(even if much too often he can't make a play on the ball even when he has good coverage......and then, of course, he too often gets suckered into covering the wrong ground by QB's that know the way his unininstictive mind works because of the tendencies he's put on tape).

Marino's declaration that the Bills were sold on Edmunds as the leader of their defense was a fact-free fact..........not something "in depth". The Bills are stuck with Edmunds this season because they had to commit to his fully guaranteed 5th year option AFTER 2020. Other than extend him long term, which they obviously haven't felt compelled to do, there is simply nothing they can do but ride it out with him in 2021 and try to prop up his confidence. People who can't see this simply don't understand pro sports and teams being stuck with bad contracts. The Yankees have an outfielder hitting .160 that they paid a lot in trade to get and are paying a high salary...........so they play him no matter how bad he is and when they are asked about how they play one of the worst hitters in the league they say things like "he's just had some bad luck, he's getting good swings" no mention of the actual issues......like constantly swinging at pitches he can't hit. Same way the Bills treat Tremaine. They don't even talk about the actual weaknesses. The "splash" plays thing is, like I said, a way of making it seem like those are just a bonus that he's not producing. That's not the case.

They lost 6 games. That's not the definition of a cakewalk.......it's a sign of inconsistency. But yes, they had a huge point differential because they had a very easy schedule. They just played very poorly on one or both sides of the ball in 6 games..........most often on offense.......though the Tennessee, Indy and Tampa losses were more directly on the league's top ranked defense.