BADOLBILZ

It's always just the people owning, coaching and playing at that time that create the results. Not a curse, not the league or the weather or the refs.......

As the victor I simply exercised my right to also charge the surrendering prisoner with a prior crime.

And also.........yes Jason Peters is a HOF'er..........you are very wrong thinking otherwise. Only question is whether he's first ballot or not.

The highlights in the OP literally show that he didn't suck by all measures. He could make some of the most difficult plays of any QB in the NFL at the time. And he made those "Josh Allen plays" at a time when there weren't many protections for the quarterback or his receivers.

18 and 2 byes..........but 2 preseason games are going to happen. The NFL has been playing 20 games since back in the 14 regular season game days when they had 6 preseason games.............20 was collectively bargained long ago and the owners aren't giving up 3 preseason games just to add 1 regular season game. The starters don't need to play in those games but the owners want the ticket revenue and tv money for those preseason games.........and teams need to evaluate the depth..........and yeah, they get a lot of ticket revenue because us season ticket holders have to pay for them.

There is a "pervasive idea" that Jake Kumerow is not a good 3rd option outside............and that the next 3-4 other options are small targets.......including the short-armed rookie Shakir. How invested are you in this idea that the Bills are going to use a 5'7" and 28 7/8" arm McKenzie as a replacement for the 6'2" 32 1/4" armed Davis on the outside? (combine measurements, fwiw) Seems ridiculous, to be honest. Do you understand why teams don't use small target receivers outside the hashes?

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34114845/the-wild-numbers-new-york-yankees-historic-start

Again, never said Rojo wasn't a failure. But QB numbers are relative to the league averages of the day. You just refuse to admit that league average completion % has risen almost 7 points since 2000.........58% in 2000 scales to 65% in 2021. And beyond that you think that the stat means more than it does. 1992 Jim Kelly 58.2% (league average was 57.5%)...... less than 1 point above average and was named All Pro 2000 Rob Johnson 57.2% in 2000 (58.2%.).....1 point below average 2021 Josh Allen was 63.3% (64.8.%)........1.5 points below average and was generally regarded as one of the best in the NFL.

He looked like Beasley of 2021 in those clips. Now subtract 5 games injured.........and that's why his fantasy projections are around 50 catches for 500 yards. Need about 85 and 1,000 from that slot position. They have a bunch of options but Crowder is by far the most "likely" to put up enough numbers to get them most of the way there.

Crowder was hurt all season. That's why his ypa was down. He had no burst. He used to be a big YAC guy.......something the Bills desperately need........but last year he had a woeful 3.5 YAC after averaging 5.8 YAC the previous 3 seasons. Not saying Zach Wilson didn't cost him some, his depth of target was down about a yard.........but he lost MORE than some. Injuries have become his problem, both in terms of bulk stats and averages. Hence his bargain price. Here are some good clips from weeks 9-11 that show the lack of burst last season:

I get the 7 year argument. He's also a higher pedigree player(a 4th round pick). But it's simple...........Beasley was much more productive last year. The most important data is the most recent data.........especially in the NFL where careers aren't long. But as I've said........Beasley was also more productive that Crowder in 2020 as well. And 3 of the past 4 years he's produced more yardage and had more catches. I liked the Crowder signing.........but it is what it is........an injury flier on a guy who has missed 9 games the last two seasons and had a very large drop-off last season in particular. As I've said in other posts.........just getting back to where they were in 2021 is not even good enough IMO..........they dropped almost 40 yards per game in passing yardage per game from 2020. I thought they should have upgraded their talent. On paper.......they simply did not. But it's not over yet........there are still some talented outside receiver options still on the market.

I miss the more violent game. To me, the last vestige of the old-school violent game was January 19, 2014........49ers @ Seahawks NFC championship game. Those two teams were still bashing it out and they played an absolute battle and the refs let them play. Then it was gone. So yeah........I wish the violence was back........and plays like this were always a big part of the fun. At the same time.........I understand why they want to protect the players..........and it definitely wasn't fair to take away the defense's ability to hit QB's or WR's but still allow offensive players to be able to blindside block defenders. And you can't legislate it if there is a fine line........it's the same thing with contact to the QB's helmet.......it needs to be easy to call. Like you said.........lineman like Dawkins KNOW this is going to be a penalty........that's why it's almost entirely gone from the game.

I'd say you stole that ridiculously illogical take from a crass satire like 'Trailer Park Boys" or "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" template..........but sadly, that would be giving FAR too much credit.

Well last year Davis had 549 and Crowder had 447. As I've said before Davis could put up 1175 yards receiving to cover for all of the yardage he and Sanders COMBINED for last season. That's just a big jump for a guy whose averaged less than half that in his first two seasons........a career 56% catch guy that has battled foot injuries(though he remained on the active roster thru them) and inconsistency (like his dreadful 3 catches on 14 targets game against the Jets last year). Crowder could put up 700 or more...........but he also could continue to be what he's been..........too unavailable and less productive. And I will add this..........I, for one, didn't go into this offseason thinking that the Bills passing game didn't have room for improvement. The Bills averaged 299 yards passing per game in 2020...........that number fell to 262 last year. IMO..........Josh Allen should be a 5,000 yard passer every year in a 17 game schedule.........just "replacing" production that wasn't enough would not BE enough, IMO.

So LMGTS......... I said that the Bills replaced Beasley with a less productive receiver.............you took exception with some vague argument about context..........I told you that my point still stands AS WELL as answering your stupid context argument succinctly.........and you think I am straw manning you? I never cease to be amazed and the stupid f*cking ***** people will say on TSW.

Regardless of your 30% drop number........there is no argument to be made that Beasley wasn't more productive than Crowder last season........and 3 of the last 4 seasons since Crowder's injury problems began to derail his promising career. I like Crowder's talent........early in his career he was better than Beasley IMO.........but he's only been "that" guy once in the last 4 seasons. The Bills are hoping he bounces back after two successive down seasons and the contract fairly reflects the risk/significant chance that he's seen better days. OJ Howard is the same situation.....he went from 1,000+ combined receiving yards in '18 and '19 down to nothing the past two seasons (with Tom Brady). The problem is that these guys are stepping into a lineup that has lost a SIGNIFICANT amount of production in the pass game in Beasley and Sanders.

My takeaway from that is you had a drinking problem that you blamed for out of control behavior........and you don't have any kids but you want to make a condescending remark about how I treat posters on here (all who have initiated any negativity that followed) by using my family as a reference. You're not a young man, you should know you don't go there. This is why we keep it to football on the main board. If you want to speak to me about personal things.........that's what PM's are for. And btw, what you don't see on TSW is that I often bypass responding to negativity and just respond to unsolicited personal attacks on the board with PM's.........and with rare exception those people shut right the f*ck up or back pedal like a mofo on PM.........which tells you all you need to know about what their intention was in the public forum. I'm not paid to do this........so you can expect me to be gracious to assh*les in one hand and take a dump in the other and see which one fills up first.

First: The main reason Crowder's production is down is because he has averaged missing 4 games per season the past 4 years. Last season he was never right.........he missed 5 games with 2 separate injuries.........THEN had to exit the season finale against Buffalo injured. After two down seasons and 9 games missed in that time.........Crowder was available for cheap for a reason........his ypa tumbling to 8.8 in 2021 is a red flag because he used to be a good ypa guy...........but whether he's diminished by all the injuries now or not, he's simply not been available enough. Beasley was hurt all season too and it hurt his averages..........but he PLAYED and produced..........he was 18th in the NFL in receptions. Second: The idea that receivers are at a big disadvantage in terms of being able to produce if their QB isn't a superstar like Josh Allen(who was only the 24th most accurate passer in the NFL at 63%, fwiw) is not statistically supported. DJ Moore put up 93 catches and almost 1200 yards with Sam and Cam, throwing him the ball, basically. I really don't need to expand on that list of huge producers on badly QB'd teams.......there are plenty. Crowder was one of them in 2019.........he had an absurd 27 targets in the 2 games against the Bills that season. Crowder got 6 targets per game last season.........Beasley had 7. They both caught about 70% of those throws and had woeful ypa's in the 8's..........but availability is the most important ability.

You are dead wrong about me being able to offer the expanded, objective opinions that I do and not be attacked and loathed by some. You guys wear on those people and run them off. It's nearly inevitable. That's why there are so, so few glass-not-full or objective contributors here. Think of all the content someone like Lori provided here........she did it without returning fire and just one day decided that was enough of the excessively negative feedback. Same with more recent departures like Bandit. I could go on.......it's a long list of folks who just don't find the discussion worth the hate-back. Most of the people I know personally from tailgating etc.. on this board gave up posting a long time ago but still read or moderate etc.. In general there are just too many insecure, miserable people who feel first and think later online..... just because they CAN. As the saying goes.........those that think see life as a comedy........those that feel see it as a tragedy. I'm a person who doesn't take much seriously. I don't get furious about attacks on me.........I laugh and give it back and then some. That's how I deal with snark and that's the only reason I'm still here contributing. Take a look at this branch of the discussion. I've offered actual facts, stats and historical perspective. The replies? Evasive and HIGHLY subjective.....stat-free, fact free. It should be embarrassing to those people, but it's not. Because they are online. I've always said I wouldn't post anything here that I wouldn't say to that person at a tailgate...........and it's true. But IRL it would never get that far because when you know me you know I'm not saying things about the Buffalo Bills to offend anyone. I joke with my friends about their BS and I take return abuse just fine. As for me being married? Yes. And no, I LITERALLY never fight with her because I think first before I emote. Does that tell you something? I also have 5 kids. How many do you have and what would that tell someone about you? It would tell me nothing of import about your character, btw. As for me saying you would be too thin-skinned to handle the criticism I or Scott get........your reaction only supports that. You'd join the list of people whose contribution would be missed. Think of me as helping keep you here.

It was an even distribution of investment on both offense and defense? LOL that's ridiculous. First you've taken a VERY subjective, fact-free assessment of losses. In reality.......they lost a near identical amount on both sides of the ball..........3102 snaps on D to 3042 on offense. Major defensive losses: -Levi Wallace........994 snaps. - Two ROTATIONAL edge rushers.........Hughes played 550 snaps and Addison played just 482.......Rousseau had the second most snaps on the edge(530) not Addison. - Three ROTATIONAL DT's..........Phillips played 474 snaps and Lotulelei just 317 and Vernon Butler played 285. Major offensive losses: - Starting boundary receiver........Sanders played 747 snaps - Starting slot receiver........Beasley played 691 snaps - Starting OG/RT and a rotational guard........Williams played 1172 snaps Jon Feliciano 442 snaps. The quality of players they've added on offense is much lower than what they've added on defense. Now you could say they played less snaps on defense.........I'm sure that's so..........but that's kind of my point.........they already had the #1 ranked defense in the NFL and they not only replaced their losses........they used their top 2 chips in UFA and their 5th #1 pick on D in 7 opportunities to improve that side of the ball. The offense, particularly the OL and the lack of speed at receiver, was filled with LESS productive players than those that left.........or not at all in the case of Sanders position. And I'd add that the Bills had more in reserve on defense to start the offseason with too. Dane Jackson proved to be a solid starter and Tre White is on schedule to return so there might not have even been a starting spot for Levi in 2022. Boogie Basham was a 2020 second round pick who they couldn't even find snaps for so one of those rotational DE's had to go whether they inked Miller or not. There wasn't comparable pedigree/track record in reserve and under contract to replace departing talent on offense. Bates was about all they had in reserve on offense and he wasn't under contract.......he accounts for more than 1/3 of the guaranteed money they spent on free agents/draft picks on offense. It's not complicated: $90M > $25M ...........3x the investment in UFA and 3x the investment in the draft. It really isn't justified to suggest that it wasn't decidedly lopsided.

Does it suck? Nobody can legitimately argue that I don't offer a lot of well supported football opinions. I back up what I say and my objective is to promote discussion. But in lieu of people wanting to actually discuss football topics........the board needs its villains. If Scott and I weren't around it would be someone like you getting personally attacked and straw manned because you have learned to "dabble" in reality at least. I don't think you could take that.......I've seen how you react to the extremely mild criticism you get........it would bruise the homer inside you. Scott and I have clearly identified roles.........people attack him and he doesn't give them the satisfaction of returning their vitriol. Which makes them angrier and in some cases, like Donny Two-ply......it gives them SOMETHING to contribute to the board. I give their snark right back to them and then some.......and laugh.......which hurts their feelings. If they can't take it or if they start jumping into football discussions to vaguely air their personal grievances with me, I block them. Which makes them follow my posts even closer. That's how this works. The board can't be split 50/50 between folks who just drink the kool aid and those who are waiting for the glass to fill up first........but it wouldn't be very entertaining if it was a complete circle jerk.

I am a big fan of the Miller signing. But where you start to think they aren't supporting Josh Allen enough is when they invest in starter level contracts for both Settle, Jones AND Phillips............but then replace Beasley and Sanders with dirt cheap flyers and basically just exchanged Williams out with Saffold on their weakest unit as a team, the OL. How about throwing those flyers at the defensive side of the ball? Why does Ed Oliver's backup need to be a $5M/year player but the starting slot receiver is a guy on a 1 year $2M prove-it deal? The difference between me and a lot of the dopes in this thread on the subject is that I can look at it objectively. Thinking about it doesn't cause me any angst. The people who think I am too critical will be pondering ending it all in their living room if the Bills lose at home to.......say the Jets on December 11........ next season because the OL couldn't block or the receivers can't get open. But win or lose I will be out in the parking lot after the game eating wings and laughing and enjoying the day like I always do.

@Logic was including free agency and the draft in whatever bullish*t he was trying to say..........he doesn't even know what the point was.......he was just triggered. And of course, the first round pick is by far the most valuable chip..........Kaiir Elam alone adds $14M in guaranteed money. By the time you get to round 3, Bernard only got $1M gtd. By trade value they used about 900 points on defense and 300 points on offense in the draft. So they used about 3x as much guaranteed money on D in UFA and 3x the draft capital on D. That's a significant disparity.........having to pick $65M off the top to call them "similar" only accentuates the point. They did add a lot of luke-warm bodies on offense and re-signed Bates(who I generously included as a $9M "addition")..........but they need bodies on offense because they have spent most of their first picks on defense under McBeane. They have 5 of their own first round picks playing on defense. They have just Allen and Diggs(by trade) as first round invested chips on offense.

Logic doesn't have a reason.........he was just triggered by Scott's statement of fact about the level of investment in defense versus offense........so he straw-manned him with a response that didn't in any way refute what he was taking offense to. $90M > $25M Fact. None of this is a referendum on whether you or anyone else should be excited about the season. I'd be excited about the season if they were the prohibitive SB favorite or the favorite to end up with the #1 pick in the draft.

Nice 4-0 win over the Jays and AL ERA leader Alek Manoah. Between McClanahan and Manoah they've beaten the top LHP and RHP starters in terms of ERA in the AL in past 4 days. 9th straight win........they've won 16 of last 17. 12 game lead in the best division in baseball.