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And I "think" I am not overstating how bad they were. They were a GLARING weakness on an otherwise dominant team. Here is the NFL's own next Gen stats link with their take on pressure stats..........Bills with second most pressures allowed and the most hurries allowed in the NFL(by a lot). https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/advanced.htm Do some non-NFL owned metric services have them ranked better?........ perhaps.........but my point has been that statistically they ranked VERY badly in pass pro. On reflection though, I think that stat I quoted from one of yolo's re-tweets was from around the time of the Tampa game. Which makes sense, because they were indisputably terrible until they started running Josh Allen 10x per game to compensate for the struggles in pass pro. Though as I mentioned, when they did NOT rush 10+ time in the Panthers game he got assaulted in the pocket.

The context you are talking about, I think, is this is an Eric Wood thread and Wood declaring Beane the best GM in the NFL. There wasn't a reason to extend Wood early because of his age. Additionally, though age alone was enough, Wood also had significant injuries in his career and they were switching to a new blocking system under Dennison. It was a perfect scenario to wait and see how his season panned out. Nobody saw it coming, but it was part of a questionable plan to literally buy allegiance from certain team leaders(they gave McCoy a bizarre $2M bonus in summer to keep his mouth shut as well) at a time when they were gutting the team of it's core of young veterans.

Last season at this time people were predicting 14 and 15 win seasons for the Bills........the perception was that their schedule was just so easy and they were great and highly motivated to get home field advantage. Maybe they lose at KC.......maybe they lose at Tampa...........but otherwise people were quite sure it was going to be a cake walk. Didn't you predict such a thing yourself? Seems to me you did. Then after 13 games the Bills were 7-6. NOBODY is predicting that they are going to "implode" and be a terrible team............but people like you never learn that the games actually have to be played.........the team was TERRIBLE in one score games..........they dominated bad teams and played good defense almost all season but unforeseen issues on offense derailed their home field bid. 7-6 and being on the outside of the playoff field looking in during the month of December HAPPENED last season.

Where else.......a post of a tweet about the stat by @YoloinOhio here on TSW. I believe it came up when Bills fans were stat shaming the Bengals OL in the playoffs.

1. Don't get me started about people posting an opinion repeatedly........my most lasting impression of last year this time was your constant complaining about the Bills desperate need for CB depth...........which was proven an unfounded worry EVEN WHEN they lost Tre White. They were a BETTER team with higher regard from Vegas in the 6 weeks after his injury. The difference between that situation and my complaint about the outside WR depth was that we knew Dane Jackson could play ball in limited reps in 2020......he made plays against DeAndre Hopkins in Arizona....and that they had proven that they could plug in guys like Cam Lewis and not miss a beat in their system. We also KNOW what Jake Kumerow is at age 30 and that you can't "cover up" receivers on offense.........they either win matchups or they are a liability. You have zero right to complain about a point being re-iterated........especially when most of the mentions I've made are responses to opinions that the Bills have no weaknesses......because yes there are people who think that. 2. As I said........Quessenberry was a horrible pass protector. He had a TREMENDOUS season as a run blocker. Hence his 80 pff grade........and the fact that he had no market despite strong run blocking tells you how bad his pass pro is seen. He's a Jordan Mills but with even wider splits between run and pass pro. Solid backup........but the guy he is backing up, Spencer Brown, played quite badly. There is no longer a Daryl Williams option to bounce over and maybe even get pro bowl level pass blocking out of that players.......like they did in 2020. I've explained my issue with Saffold........his Daryl Williams like PFF grade is only one aspect of the comparison..........he was much less available due to a chronic shoulder injury and he's much older. If the LG position turns into a platoon between Saffold and Cody Ford or Van Roten.........that could be a significant step back over what they had with Williams. Swapping Saffold out for Williams was about money and familiarity with the new OL coach. Maybe Saffold bounces back and can stay on the field and has one last good season in him. Williams is no less likely to do so.........and he might do that at RT somewhere. He's much younger. It's only an upgrade on paper if you totally ignore the facts. 3. I'm not sure why you keep asking a question I'm not debating. You were wrong for calling me out for it in the first place and still you continue. The Bills depth is now solid compared to the rest of the league. The problem is, it is depth behind a starting OL that lead the NFL in sacks and pressures combined last season. And that depth is all low ceiling veteran players whose weaknesses mirror the weaknesses of the guys in front of them. Tommy Doyle is the only guy with any ceiling left in the unit. And nobody b*tched more about Tommy Doyle being on the roster last season than you so you should probably leave it at that.

It was pretty clear which way Marino was going at "the Bills are unwavering" on Edmunds role as the leader of their defense as the first argument point about his value to the team. If they were "unwavering"...........he'd have been extended last offseason or this one. Second argument is Robert Saleh comparing him to Brian Urlacher. Ahem..........yeah except for the All Pro level play. Third is how he's a mystical unicorn in pass defense and he quotes Leslie Frazier saying he bats a lot of passes down...........which is patently untrue.........Edmunds literally doesn't make many plays on the ball in the passing game. His passer rating against has been well over 100 the past two years...........which is bad. Fourth.........after eschewing stats when discussing Edmunds in the passing game.........he goes on about depth of tackle numbers etc.. when those are just as team based stats, if not more, as the plays in pass defense. All of the things Marino acknowledges about Edmunds weaknesses...........bad eyes in zone coverage..........can't get off blocks.........improving his processing speed because he doesn't make enough "splash" plays..........he goes out of his way to excuse because of the seemingly outrageous amount of responsibility he's given. Let me say that the term "splash" plays is used mostly by apologists to make it seem like they are some kind of "extra". They are not icing on the cake. Making plays on the ball, turning the ball over, getting home on the blitz.........these are all things that are part of the job and Edmunds so happens to be particular BAD at all 3 of those things. He has 2 interceptions in the last 3 seasons. He hasn't forced a fumble in 57 games. He's NEVER recovered a single fumble in 61 career games. In 227 career blitz attempts he has an astonishingly low 11 hurries...........and had NONE in 72 blitz attempts in 2020. Claiming that the expectations of him from the coaching staff are unrealistic is the perfect way to excuse EVERY issue though.

How many teams gave up 125 combined pressures and sacks last year? And show me where I made that statement. It's one thing to imagine I said something like that........but to put an emphasis on "ANY" when it didn't happen.........maybe double check the posts before you start straw-manning. What I said was that the Bills addressed their backup situations by adding guys whose weaker aspect.........pass blocking.........was the biggest problem on the OL........and the team for that matter. Quessenberry lead the NFL in sacks allowed by a tackle. If you look at the guys they added(from Saffold to all the backups), you'd think they were planning to run the hell out of the ball because these dudes were available cheap because they get their QB's hit too much.

Correction: The OL improved only after and only when Allen was being used heavily as a runner. After the home loss to NE the Bills went into desperation mode and Allen rushed 12 times against Tampa, 15 against Atlanta and 12 @ NE. After the turf toe injury against Tampa the Bills tried to keep him in the pocket and the result was 4 sacks. So it was back to using him like a RB the next week. But if you are OK with rushing Allen 200 times during the regular season then yeah that OL would have been fine. Saffold missed 5 games worth of snaps because of a chronic shoulder injury in 2021........driving fans(and probably management) crazy with his in-out act. Daryl Williams played every snap of the season. Their PFF grades were about the same when they played. But Williams also played some of his snaps at the more difficult and valuable RT position, so he provides more versatility and is younger. Saffold was just cheaper and familiar with Kromer. That's the end of the story you are talking about........not that he was an upgrade. I EXPECT Gabe Davis to put up 1200 yards receiving. He probably has to. He's been handed sole possession of a spot in the lineup that has produced those kind of numbers. There just isn't ANY depth. Saying I don't believe in Davis is like saying the Bills don't believe in Ed Oliver because they paid starting money to Jordan Phillips. Oliver should be playing AT LEAST 2/3 of the snaps. As for your perception of why Davis didn't play..........as Bills employee and shill Sal Capaccio said many times, Gabe Davis wasn't getting more PT because he had a nagging foot injury. He also finished the 2020 season diminished by injury. So the question is whether it's safe to assume he can perform for 20 games without being diminished for a significant portion of a season. Because there is no proven backup or high ceiling prospect waiting in the wings on the perimeter.

It literally is not. The Bills are a heavy zone defense team...........individual CB play is much less of a factor than if they had been a primarily man coverage defense. Like I said.........there were other issues on defense that undermined the CB play........and as evidenced the year prior.........without pass rush Tre White was abused and looked ridiculous against Tyreek Hill.............that 2020 defense played worse in the AFCCG loss than the one in the 2021 divisional game did. The fatigue unraveled them in 2021..........they were just helpless to stop Mahomes for most of the game in 2020. If Tremaine Edmunds wasn't a puppet on string in coverage against Mahomes THAT would have made a difference in that game. As evidenced by the impact that Logan Wilson had in coverage the next week for the Bengals. Night and day difference in instincts and execution between Wilson and Edmunds in those games.

This is clearly hard for you to comprehend..........but some of us actually think that the game shouldn't even have been played in Arrowhead in the first place. That the result of the divisional game wasn't an indicator that the defense wasn't good enough to win a Super Bowl with.........or even beat the Chiefs on most days(as they had done in Arrowhead earlier in the season). They ran into a red hot offense that day. First time in NFL history two teams that had scored 40 the week before met the following week in the playoffs. Regular season losses to Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, New England and Indianapolis............games where they simply couldn't execute offensively due to a league worst pass blocking OL(125 combined sacks and pressures was the most) and the lack of YAC talent(last in the NFL in that category) cost them what should have been a cruise to home field advantage. Lest we forget........the Bills defense was ranked #1 in the NFL. It was the offense that lost 3 games in a 5 game stretch where they scored just 6, 15 and 10 points before they started running Josh Allen 10x per game to cover up for those weaknesses. If you think the KC game was impacted by a lack of Tre White........then imagine that game with Josh Allen on the sidelines because you had to run him 8-12 times per game all season to cover for some league-worst weaknesses on offense. I've never criticized the Von Miller signing..........they swapped him out for Hughes and Addison. Where I diverge from Beane's thinking is that the OL just needed a patch job with a 34 year old OG with chronic shoulder issues and some league minimum type reserves who share the same issues that hurt the Bills OL last year(Quessenberry lead the NFL in sacks allowed!)................but the interior DL needed 3 more guys getting NFL starter money in addition to the high pedigree Ed Oliver. Or that losing half of their #2 boundary WR combo, not replacing that production, and instead further fortifying the defense with those DT's and a first round CB was suspect.

Yanks set MLB record for HR's in month of June with 57 in their 5-3 win today to sweep the A's (Yanks 9th sweep of season) https://www.mlb.com/yankees/news/aaron-judge-giancarlo-stanton-homer-yankees-sweep-a-s

Wood owes Beane big time, so of course he sings his praises. One of Beane's many dubious moves early in his tenure was the unexpected extension given to Eric Wood in summer of 2017 instead of waiting for him to survive the season healthy. There was no reason to do it. He was going to be a 32 year old free agent after the season, they didn't do it to make immediate cap room, and he simply wasn't going anywhere else in 2018 if Buffalo wanted him. $10M in cap space up in smoke with that postseason physical.

The Bills defense gave up 36 points in regulation to the Chiefs in the divisional game loss........42 in OT.......with 2 extra possessions than the Bills due to some coin luck......without Tre White. The prior year they gave up 38 to the Chiefs in the AFCCG with Tre White. The facts of the situation don't support the idea that Tre White was "TRULY MISSED". Could he have helped? Maybe........but the issue was Mahomes was keeping drives alive with his feet.........that's not a CB problem......NO corner in the league can cover as long as was being required. In the process of Mahomes keeping drive after drive alive due to the inability of the Bills pass rush to finish....... the defense got totally exhausted and the last 3 Chiefs scores were mostly due to defensive fatigue.

Good for Kingsbury..........fine looking polish girl. Traditionally men have been attracted to women with the perception of a 45 degree+ spine curvature in the back.........which a big butt gives. Women with that trait had a much higher chance of bearing children successfully. The attraction is mostly about procreation. If I had to guess all the haters in this thread together don't have enough kids to field a basketball team. There is your answer........low sex drive, low T and possibly some other kind of perversion.

Availability is definitely his thing. He's a top half of the NFL starting middle/inside LB........higher than top half in the AFC because there aren't many in the AFC, which is why Edmunds has gotten his Pro Bowl nods. He's probably the most physically talented of any such player in the NFL though(unless you consider Micah Parsons an ILB)..........teams don't waste physical traits like that at a devalued position like MLB/ILB usually...........nor do smart agents let guys in pass rusher frames play MLB/ILB. That's why the gap between his physical talent and the instincts needed to be great at the position is so stark. My comp for him is Derrick Henry..........it makes little sense that either ended up at their positions instead of rushing the passer. But Henry turned into a superstar. Hopefully the light comes on for Edmunds this year like it did deeper into Demario Davis career, for example. For all the people who blame the divisional loss to the Chiefs on pass rush and coaching, maybe the biggest difference between what the Bengals were able to do to rally and escape in Arrowhead was that their instinctive MLB Logan Wilson played a great game against Mahomes in pass coverage. We've just come to accept that Mahomes owns Edmunds and that it's just not possible for him to impact a game against Mahomes from that position, but it's been proven otherwise.

Also misleading. He's only ranked in the top 50 in the NFL in TFL once...........in 2019 when he had 10. Last season he finished tied for 71st with 28 other players with 7........so top 100 by only 1 TFL. The TFL leader is usually in the 20's, fwiw. There just aren't that many LB's that have started for all of the last 4 years. Edmunds was a higher ranked ILB/MLB earlier in his career(top 8 in 2020, IMO) by default because there just aren't that many top ones.......it's a devalued position after all........but he's been lapped by some younger talents in the past couple years and is now more of a top 12-15 MLB/ILB. A better stat to show what a playmaker he's NOT been? He hasn't forced a fumble OR even recovered a fumble in the last 57 games. Edmunds just hasn't made nearly the amount of plays that he should have.

Yes. It took Edmunds 4 seasons to make as many tackles as Lewis and Kuechly did in just 3. But, but Edmunds is a wunderkind! My favorite young prodigy defensive player is still Amobi Okoye.........the NFL's all-time leading sacker among players not old enough to legally consume alcoholic beverages: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-sacks-by-a-20-year-old

No question. Collins was a non-talent. Johnson and Flutie failed to pan out but for that era of quarterbacking in the NFL they provided the Bills effective QB play in general......until the MCM.......after which the gutting of the team commenced and was complete by 2001. With the Bills dominant defense of the late 90's a powerful coach like the 70's/80's Don Shula could have won a SB with Flutie and Johnson platoon at QB. Wade Phillips just didn't have the balls or clout(or sometimes even common sense to wear a headset) to be able to just play the hot hand or matchup advantage in-games. They were more athletic and different stylistically than the Earl Morral/Bob Griese combo.........and they were damn sure better than the David Woodley/ Don Strock combo that Shula also took to a SB.

I've noticed this discussion you've talked about and I have a few thoughts(because 4 is always too many): 1. None of the Bills previous owners should be on the wall. No Ralph, No Shula, No Belichick, No Brady. 2. No rapists or murderers. Also no players who have been victims of a crime(even victimless crimes like identity theft)........OR non-crimes like if they are from Texas and have been touched inappropriately or wrongfully killed by corporate or mom and pop businesses in a non-war situation. 3. Rob Gronkowski, Ron Jaworski and Don Majkowski should all be on the wall......but to prevent the perception of a bias........nobody named White should be ever be honored because White's are notoriously privileged.

"I want to apologize to No. 27," Gronkowski said. "I'm not in the business of that. I mean, there was a lot of frustration and I was just really frustrated at that moment and it just happened naturally through emotions. ... I just want to apologize to Tre'Davious White." I guess he forgot the part about apologizing for winning the game and dominating incompetently run Bills teams for his entire career? There was no apology that was going to satisfy some fans. Him expanding on his officiating complaint after he was asked about it is a separate issue from the apology. And he wasn't wrong about it being PI.......he got mugged by White. Is this a joke? Aren't you a 60-70 year old woman? Older women break bones just A LOTTA bit easier than early 20's male professional athletes.

It was actually kinda' fascinating seeing how long the hitless streak ran. Both games were close enough for a no-no to turn into an oh-no in 10 pitches or less for the Astros.........and the second one did. I'd like to see the Yanks address the lineup with another hitter who can actually get hits when needed and move Gallo or Hicks out. Benintendi is an oft-mentioned option. He's not great but should be a cheap add for some team and can get hot and hit .330 for a few months and ultimately be a high 700's OPS guy which is a lot better than the .630 Hicks and Gallo have been running out there. Also Carpenter should be platooning with Donaldson at this point too. With Gleyber possibly, unfortunately out for a while maybe Carpenter gets some at bats. "Carpington".......as Carlos called him one game........ has played well enough to warrant a chance to show that he can't do it on a regular basis. Hopefully Donaldson doesn't turn into the next Hicks as the guy that has to play just because of his contract status.

Not that it wouldn't have taken less than 2 hours for the team carpenter Jim Willibey and longtime last-man-in-the-media-guide Russ Zink to take it down before that. I suspect that "The Wall of Fame" will be replaced altogether by an inside Hall of Fame of some sort. Wall space is money.

The ominous happening in that game was Josh Reed running wide open and dropping a bomb that would have been like one of those Gabe Davis 2020 blown coverage TD's. His hands had been unbelievably good at LSU(where he won the Biletnikoff award) and with Buffalo as a rookie.........that drop against the Jags sent him into a tailspin of yips.......dropping easy passes. Making Reed the #2 receiver seemed to totally ruin a guy who was dynamic in the slot as a rookie and seemed like a perennial pro bowler in development. I remember people thinking the combo of Reed getting more snaps and the acquisition of 500 yard receiver Bobby Shaw was going to be able to replace the 1250 yard production of the traded Peerless Price. Then Moulds got hurt and that receiving corps went from great in 2002 to simply horrible in 2003 as Reed and Shaw weren't up to the task. Kinda' reminds me of some of the thinking around here in 2022 that more Gabe + Kumerow will equal or surpass Gabe + Sanders 2021 production.

I wouldn't want it any other way. Red Sox in the divisional Astros in ALCS Dodgers in the WS That would be my ideal lineup of opponents I'd like to beat.

They matched up like the best team in baseball. They put up a .692 winning % in their toughest stretch of the season. .692 is higher than any winning % in baseball other than their own.