starrymessenger

Your repetitive put downs of Peterman are equally tiresome, indeed more so since they rely on an infinitesimally smaller sample size. So a raw rookie who got no help from his O-line got blown out in his first start against a quality opponent who was a bad matchup to begin with. One bad start does not a career make. Now tell me your post was really all about a coaching error, and given your "body of work" I'll call you a liar. You better hope that Peterman never amounts to anything. You may need a new handle.

Saw Patriot D-linemen distraught and encouraging Cadet after he went down. Then this. I guess it takes all kinds. Human scum. Glad we didn't trade for him.

Bills would be better, much better IMO, with Smith under centre, assuming that he can maintain his current level of play for at least a couple more years (which I think would be a reasonable assumption). He'd also be a great mentor to Peterman and any prospect the Bills might draft in 2018. He's a UFA in 2019 so I don't know how keen he'd be about heading to Buffalo without a renegotiated deal and I don't know that the Bills would commit to that given his age. Maybe a one year rental would work for both sides but I don't know either what the Chiefs might then want in the way of picks or what the Bills would be comfortable giving up in that case.

Sorta looks like his running mate Collins, who went later in the draft, would have been the better pick. JWill can't crack the lineup in NO (tho no fault of his own).

Must be because most of it is off the ground lol

Im sure he sees more ass than a toilet seat.

Wow. Imagine Gronk paired with KB. And if we had only sat tight, saved a first rounder and drafted OBJ. You prolly wouldn't even need a QB. Gronk's a great player. Wish he had been a Bill.

Don't know that I would go that far. I do think technology assisted off field reviews can and do improve the game. But certainly if a reviewer is for whatever reason is unable to properly perform his functions, the result can be worse than if there were no reviews. That looks to be the territory we may be in right now.

But as was pointed out by the OP, the "system" also requires NY to cede to the onfield call in certain circumstances. Al Riveron has a habit of not doing that. He is either incompetent or lacks good judgement. Or maybe he's just a pervert who likes to draw attention to himself.

It may be the year after next but I also think it's likely to happen. One or two more good drafts and I think we maybe take the division and maybe hold it for awhile. Brady is in the discussion for GOAT (and I mean with Jerry and Jim) but I strongly suspect that letting Jimmy G go will prove to be a big mistake. In that sense the Pats may wind up a hostage and a victim of Tom's success.

I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. I don't think that NFL refs and reviewers are on anyone else's payroll. I don't think that the league and its officials consciously use their authority to manipulate results. There is no cognitive intentionality to any of this IMO. But I do think that it is at least reasonably possible, perhaps even probable, that the Pats get more than their fair share of calls, including calls that change or strongly influence the result of games. If this is true, the likely reason would be a deferential respect for a franchise that has pretty much established itself over the last ten or twelve years as the class (I use the term advisedly) of the league, and for the people who have made it so, namely Bob, Bill and Tom. Kraft's involvement in league ownership's management of officiating may also have played a role as well as the fact that as the league's most successful franchise the Pats might be regarded as one of the league's star attractions and principal engines of profitability. There is a risk to the league in all of this however as the list of game changing (or strongly influencing) and questionable decisions (and non-calls) favouring the Pats lengthens. Can you imagine a reversal of a KB type touchdown that again favours the Pats and determines the result in the upcoming playoffs or in the championship game? At that point I think the whole thing blows up big time with significant reputational risk to the league.

I think there is a 50/50 chance Peterman will be our starting QB. Next year.

Ha Benji beats Gilmore!

Wow Poyer

I would be euphoric if we landed Rosen, Darnold or Allen. I think Rosen is the first QB off the board and maybe even the first overall even if Darnold declares. Allen is a project but he will be an early first rounder, and for good reason IMO. I don't think we get to pick any of those guys. Hope I'm wrong about that. After those three I like Lamar Jackson with our second pick in the second round (after Quenton Nelson, Vita Vea and a really good wide receiver). I think my wish list is maybe a little unrealistic tho so maybe Jackson with our first pick in the second round. Now watch Hue Jackson pick him #1 in the draft.

I agree. I had a torn meniscus. I did not need surgery to repair, it got better on its own. Still at its worse there was no way that I could play (baseball). If the pain by itself is not enuf to keep him from practicing/playing then maybe it's not all that bad. Looks to me like there are a range of possible outcomes/severity of injury with a meniscus tear. Who knows how bad his is - probably KB and the Bills medical staff.

As a general rule I don't like to see players get hurt, regardless of exactly how it happens or what uniform they suit up in. These guys work too hard for too long to get to where they are and even if the risk of injury is part of the game I don't get any satisfaction when it happens. On the other hand, the players don't assume the risk of injury as a result of a criminal assault that is clearly outside the four corners of the game. And one would expect players to understand that given their own vulnerability to career limiting injury. So as an exception to the general rule I really wouldn't feel bad if Gronk was carted off the field on a stretcher next Sunday. But as it is, against a superior opponent the Bills will be struggling to level out the playing field. And we all know the deference with which NFL officiating treats Tom and the Pats, especially at Gillette. So do everything you can to disrupt Gronk's game and hit him often and hit him hard but do so within the rules. The D absolutely has to scheme to take him away if the Bills are to have any chance. He's a great player and he's really on his game right now.

The fake spike wasn't the problem. The play was poorly executed from the get go and was slow to develop. Also the playcall was problemmatic. Why throw into the teeth of the defence? A fade would have been a wiser choice. After Butler crushed Seattle in the SB you'd think they would know better.

Game on mute. Nuff said.

I think he's going to be good. Eventually. Good size, moves well in the pocket, sees the field and can make all the throws. Whats not to like?

Way too early to form any conclusion regarding Peterman. Those among us who think they know (either way) only think they know. His first outing was pretty much a disaster. He made three very bad throws IMO, two of which resulted in picks and a third which should have. The rest was not necessarily all on him. Generally he did not play within himself and tried to do way too much. Typical rookie mistake and he paid for it big time. But some of that was also clearly on the coaching staff. In retrospect he was clearly not ready and the coaches should have known that. Also the playcalls and selection were more appropriate for an experienced NFL passer, not a guy making his first start. I can remember the rookie seasons of Ben and Brady. These two future HOF guys were clearly asked only to play within themselves and were not to do too much. I think the gameplan for Peterman was more aggressive and indeed too much so. And the Bolts were the wrong matchup for the rook given their ability to bring pressure and our weakness in pass pro on the right side of the line. Tyrod would not have thrown 5 picks in the first 30 mins but he might have been sacked 7 times like he was versus the Jets, who have a much weaker pass rush than the Chargers. I think some here had predicted that Peterman's first start was going to be against the Colts and in hindsight its apparent that they had a better idea than our coaches did. And what others have said about coaching viz Case Keenum (gameplaning, play calling and scheme) is spot on IMO. Not many even great quarterbacks are entirely scheme versatile. Dan Fouts would have greatly outperformed Joe Montana in a Don Coryell offence. Can you envision Tom Brady executing a scheme dependent upon QB mobility outside of the pocket? Frankly I would not be surprised if with experience and proper handling Peterman eventually proved capable of doing what Keenum is doing now. Case is not a world class athlete, was undrafted and does not have a strong arm, but he has always been accurate with it. What concerned me the most about Peterman's first outing were two out patterns, one to each side of the field, that were clearly not NFL calibre throws and that reasonably raise the arm strength question. One was a pick and the other should have been. Some have mentioned that he puts too much mustard especially on some of his intermediate (and other) throws (two of his picks were overthrows). Could be he is overcompensating for something. I wonder what. Anyway I guess my point is simply that the sample size is too small and that we need to see more of him before reaching any kind of conclusion.

Could also account for a couple of those throws. Just watching him pick himself off the turf a few times he looked tired - and a lot like an older QB. We are just on the cusp of when the season becomes most demanding of the players strength and endurance. He's been great again this year but I've got this feeling he just won't have enuf in the tank this time. Obviously a lot depends on how well Dante can get the O-line to protect him. Getting Gronk back will help a lot, but I still think the Pats will fall short of expectations.

This is the right answer. Ben, Antonio, Bell. Also, even without Shazier I think Tom maybe in for another rough outing. I think his 40 year old body is starting to show some battle fatigue.

Don't know who the Bills will start. One things for sure though, if Peterman plays it is going to be a major hurdle. Miami can bring the heat and looks like they can cover too. If Miami's D is on its game it's likely going to be more like facing the Chargers than the Colts. Is Nate ready for this? Maybe we should pray for another blizzard. If Tyrod is 100% good to go AND the Bills scheme and game plan with regard to what he can do (rather than to what he can't), I think that on balance Tyrod would probably give us our best shot and since the Bills are still in the playoff picture you would have to go with that. OTOH if Dennison is going to try turning Tyrod into a pocket passer, I'd rather roll the dice with NP.

I know. Huge loss.