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IMO this is true and also needs to be said. The thing about Allen (other than his jaw-dropping talent) is that he is inconsistent. He is capable of executing properly, at least in terms of his throwing mechanics and knowing where to go with the ball, and when he does that he looks like a player worthy of being mentioned with Barkely as possibly the best of this class. But there is plenty of tape where he doesn't do things the way he should. Anyone who drafts him, especially if he's taken early, has to believe (hope) that he can learn to show more of the "good" Josh and less of the bad. It's a risk to be sure, maybe even a fairly big one, but it's not reckless. EJ was inaccurate as a passer but EJ never came close to flashing the same ability throwing the football that Allen does on a fairly regular basis, albeit not as often that you want to see. Allen can do it. The question is can he do it more often? EJ could never do it. Not all inaccurate QBs are the same. Allen is not the prospect Wentz was, not nearly. He's raw and unpolished. So I have a hard time seeing anyone picking him at or near the top of the draft. But if he fell to the Bills where we pick I would not be disappointed if he was taken as a developmental pick. The upside is there. I'm for Lamar Jackson so if both players were still on the board I'd take Lamar as another guy with lots of upside but IMO less risk. An important question regarding Allen is pocket presence. Not surprisingly he is much better working from a clean pocket. Tape shows a tendency to bail early but it is also true that even for the level of the conference his O line was bad in pass pro. So it's hard to know whether or not Allen has pocket presence, which is to a significant extent instinctive/intuitive. That's something I'm sure scouts are and will be puzzling over before the draft.

Cousins is a good QB and he's going to get paid. He's earned it the hard way. But I think he may be somewhat overrated relative to the dollars he may command. I'm not sure I mind so much if the Jets back up the truck. There may not be much of a net benefit to their roster overall in allocating so much of their cap to securing his services. If I'm the Bills I think I'd rather draft/develop a guy and sign a veteran capable of starting to serve as a bridge.

Not worried about Isiah. Isiah's gonna be good.

I think that Jackson may well turn out to be the best of a good and deep QB class. My gut tells me that Beane likes him too. Ideally he would sit and develop for a year behind a vet. But these days first round QBs are more often press ganged into service immediately. If the Bills drafted him I'd be surprised if they invested in the kind of vet FA QB who might be expected to play for years as a starter. A vet backup would essentially mean that Jackson would probably be starting and learning on the fly. Perhaps not ideal but D. Watson has said that Jackson is capable of doing what he can do, and I believe that. I think the only QB in this class who is good to go day one with the least transition friction is Rosen assuming the offence he runs is built for a classic pocket passing/WC offence QB (which in his case is pretty much the only logical assumption). I expect that Jackson is already viewed by the talent evaluators of QB needy teams much more highly than the talking heads would lead you to believe. I think that sentiment will only gain momentum in the next couple of months so I don't think he will fall to us at 21. He could go much earlier in the first.

Kizer is raw and needs to learn (maybe another year away) but he absolutely has all the tools and he's a good kid. Jeremiah was very high on his long term prospects. He'd be a lot cheaper in a trade than any of the main guys in this year's draft who may well not be within our reach anyway. We could do a lot worse.

Glad the Eagles won, but I thought I saw Brady congratulating Foles on the field after the game. Fair is Fair. Of course express co uk is a typical Murdoch tabloid quality gutter press.

He's a runner. TD.

They knew what they were in for if they did their usual Pats thing.

Of course I understand that but what I'm saying is that he looks to work the pocket well, knows how to buy time, has the awareness. Not sure you can ask for more than that. He's certainly less skittish than Josh Allen. He also goes through his progressions very well and throws with a lot of anticipation. I see a lot to like. One problem is that he has a disproportionately high % of balls batted down at the line. Maybe he's not as tall as college measured, or maybe it's his arm motion.

Not saying you're wrong because maybe you've seen something I haven't but in looking at tape and listening to/reading some analysts he looks like a guy who has very good poise/pocket presence and who in addition to stepping up shows the subtle lateral movement that good pocket passers have to buy time. That's in addition to a quick release, quiet feet, good throwing motion overall, outstanding lower body mechanics which generate plenty of velocity in the short to medium range. Based on what I've seen I'd even take issue with what some say negatively about his long ball accuracy and arm strength. The long ball floater overthrows I saw resulted from his having to loft it because a defender was right in his face. When setting up properly I've seen him throw 50 yards on a line and hit his receiver in stride. I know you only like projected first rounders but this kid could be a Jimmy G /Tony Romo clone ideal for a WCO. Watch the Pats take him in the third (and if he impresses before the draft maybe before).

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Both Browns and G-Men are taking QBs with their first picks. Darn old to Cleveland, Rosen to NY. If he’s not a Colt Barkley is taken by Cleveland at #4. JMO.

Josh Allen should drop. Probably big time. Thing is it only takes one fool. Sweet Jesus let it be the Jets.

JMO but I think he has reasonable mobility/short area quickness. He can only earn his keep as a passer but he can help himself out at times with his legs provided he gets his head out of harms way.

First QB in a historically bad class. And he wasn't even the best of a bad lot. Sorry but I can't give them any credit for drafting EJ in any round, not even an A for effort.

Could there be one (or 2) growing on a tree in Minni - Case, Teddy?

Bama does come up often in these types of discussions but it's nothing compared to the range of characters you get at Florida - a Evangelical Christian QB throwing to a serial killer tight end.

Well I agree with that. in comparing Allen's and Jackson's mechanical issues the thing that gives me confidence that Jackson can iron it out is that he very often displays excellent mechanics, does exactly what you want to see him do. So clearly he is fully capable of doing it but sometimes just gets lazy. I'm not at all as confident that Allen's issues can be successfully addressed, partly because they are different and also because I feel they run deeper and are more serious. The great A. Rodgers has a mechanical issue that affected his draft status and has occasionally damaged his performance as a pro - a 5 or 6 game stretch in 2016 for example. When that happens he works with his QB coach to correct things and his play improves. I see Jackson as having that kind of manageable problem. Not so sure about Allen.

Surprised you would say that. Most observers see Allen as someone who can be groomed to excell as a pocket passer with enuf mobility to operate effectively outside the pocket when necessary. To many of the same folks Jackson is just another ultra athletic running QB. Very different types. My view is that Jackson is not just a running QB who should be. a WR at the next level ( oddly no one is saying Allen should try out as a tight end). IMO although he needs work Jackson's mechanical issue is not serious and that he projects as a very good pocket passer. Just an incredible talent.

If you put Mayfield's skillset in Josh Allen's body you have the consensus # 1 pick overall and it's not even close.

An astute observation IMO.

If you take a negative view he's a bit reminiscent of Losman. Athletic with a huge arm. Also, they are both good long ball throwers (going from memory I believe Allen's completion % and accuracy is relatively good on long throws). I think we all remember the difficulty Losman had in the short passing game, how frustrating it was when he could not even hit a back ten yards away with a screen pass. Allen has the same problem. The root of the problem in both cases is poor footwork. Those "easy" passes are actually quite difficult to complete if you've not got your footwork down. We often saw some of the same with EJ and even Tyrod. With both Allen and Losman another underlying cause of the bad mechanics in the short and intermediate passing game is skittishness in the pocket resulting from poor awareness and pocket presence when under pressure. Neither guy seems to display (at least consistently) the kind of feel for the pocket that enables good pocket passers to buy time by stepping up or making sometimes small lateral movements. They bail way too early. Sure it's impressive when Allen once on the run breaks tackles or carries a linebacker for 10 yards on his back. But the obvious comeback is "Dude, why didn't you just step up". In fairness to Allen the offence he led featured predominately pro concepts. It's much harder to a have a good completion percentage operating in that kind of O compared with a college spread. It's also true that he didn't have much help and when you give Allen a clean pocket and a little time to set up properly his mechanics are actually quite good. It's in the short game and when he gets pressure that things can fall apart. Whoever drafts him, especially if high in the first, had better be very confident that his Losmanesque tendencies are correctable with coaching and reps. If not he's really not going to be good.

Sure but teams at the top of the draft may well love and covet the same guy.

Anything you hear this time of year you take with a grain of salt, but it's clear that the Bills have to be seriously considering what their draft would look like if they did not draft a QB in the first round. A guy or two that they really like could very well not be available even were they willing to pay the price. My sense of it is that if a player they like a lot drops to the mid-first or thereabouts they could look to trade down with say Green Bay to jump ahead of Zona, who are probably also in the market for a QB. And it goes without saying that if a guy they like is there at 21 they will likely run to the podium. If that's accurate then who are the QBs most likely to be on the board and within range? Odds are Jackson and Rudolph. As between the two, everybody will have their own opinion (including the Bills, though we don't know what that opinion is). Many of the early mocks have both guys falling out of the first already, including Jeremiah's). JMO but if Jackson is there at 21 I feel strongly that Beane will be unable to pass on that rare a talent. To me you just don't pass on that kind of talent, even if the guy needs some work and is probably not ready to see the field until late in the year he was drafted or in the following year.

You are dead wrong there. The folks who bring the drinks and sandwiches at noon call them that.