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Not sure why he would make that comparison. Something Rudolph appears capable of doing is throwing a very catchable ball with accuracy and touch to all parts of the field. Henne doesn't really strike he as someone who can do that. Rudolphs stats certainly exaggerate his value though and need to be dicounted somewhat in evaluating him.

Not at all what I am saying. First of all to the extent that he's a "decoy" who opens up the passing game underneath he has to be a credible vertical threat. He is that (at least opposing defences seem to think so). I'm not defending him either but the last minute long ball that he failed to convert and that eliminated the Rams is a perfect illustration of my point. Sammy cleanly beats his cover but has to slow down because the ball is under thrown. He does a good job of using his body to box out the trailing corner at the goal line but let's the ball fall right through his arms although he's in very good position to make the play. That's entirely on him and that's why he's not elite.

Agree about accuracy, but that also sort of makes my point about fundamentals. You cannot consistently be very accurate without good mechanics.

Don't know about Walter Football. From what I've seen, read and heard (scout podcasts) Mayfield has a lively arm, plenty enuf to play at the next level. Not elite to be sure but plenty good enuf to make the throws, sort of like Russell actually. Also the comment about not having good mechanics is not what I see, read and have heard. Apparently he doesn't get credit for it but probably he should. Its unusual for smaller guys to make it, they are rare, but he looks to me to have a decent chance. All of the projected possible first round QBs have flaws. They all pretty much also have something (albeit different things) to offer. I really wish I knew what the braintrust at OBD is thinking.

I agree he has the tools to develop into another Russel Wilson. He's technically very sound, has good footwork, compact throwing motion, quick release, good field vision, accurate, strong arm. He will have to tone down his enthusiasm a bit, though hopefully not his leadership, when he starts playing with adults. Somehow tho my gut tells me that Beane is looking for the prototypical big boy pocket passer. Maybe Rudolph as many have speculated. He'll probably be off the board well before we get to pick anyway.

I can see why the Rams would want him. Kupp and RW, who are good possession WRs, will not be handing in such outstanding report cards next year if Sammy or an equally credible vertical threat is not on the roster. They are not that easy to find. With Sammy their passing attack worked well. Why fix it if it's not broken? I don't know if there is any favouritism in Goff's selection of targets but I would doubt it. Not making any excuses for Sammy regarding his production or his failure to make some crucial plays but it seems to me that while Goff has developed into a very good short/intermediate passer it's also fair to say that his long ball could still do with some work. I've seen Sammy beat his man cleanly and get under thrown time and time again.

Just so you know, Seth Galina is a coach at a High school here in Montreal, where hockey is really what people do. Maybe you should handle his opinions with care. No disrespect but he's hardly a mainstream analyst. Besides I think Galina means chicken in Italian. Actually Billspro is 100% correct (though not about Allen going in the fourth). The senior bowl is were you want to see Allen (even tho he's not a senior). I hope he gets lots of snaps and I look forward to hearing how he does in practices. The Combine will simply confirm his elite physical traits (and he will wow folks) but not give you any insight into what he can do in live action against pretty good competition. And that's the main issue surrounding his draft status. If he has a bad senior bowl week and game he could fall quite a lot.

He takes snaps 5 to 7 yards behind that enormous line and he has a compact delivery and a quick release. If he has to line up under centre in a pro style offence the big bodies will be a lot closer and if he's short that could be a problem. Moreover when Georgia adjusted at halftime from rushing 3 to rushing 4 he had trouble. If he's Doug Flutie short I don't know that Beane will want him. He helped draft Cam and the two backups on that team are both prototypical size. If as college listed he is 6''1" I would personally have no concerns.

You're right. I don't know how high MRs ceiling is. But picking a QB is largely about projecting his skillset to the next level. Only two QBs playing in a system like the one he does have been high picks - David Carr and Patrick Mahomes. And they were only picked where they were because they have elite arm talent. Rudolph does not have that. His arm strength is average by NFL standards. There is nothing really wrong with that. It's good enuf for him to have a career. But it's one of several things that will likely cause him to drop, quite possibly out of the first round. I think he could very well be there when the Bills first pick and I think there is a chance they take him. Forget about Washington. The guy you want IMO is his teammate Marcel Ateman. He will be the better pro.

Ive only seen the bowl game so there is that. Against the Buckeyes I did not see a guy who was especially quick off the snap. He was frequently single teamed and largely neutralized. On a crucial third down conversion attempt they ran right over him. Haven't checked but I assume Ohio State has a good o-line but still I was hoping to see more from him. He's obviously freaky athletic for his size tho. I think I saw him playng special teams covering punts. Maybe he is the next Ngata (who also had his detractors) but I think I'd try for Christian Wilkins instead.

Fair enuf. I too have a high opinion of Mayfield. I don't think he gets enuf credit for his smarts and technical competence. He would be a fan favourite wherever he played. My reservation is his size, specifically his height. If he's no taller than Flutie my gut tells me he's not a Beane kinda guy. Rosen is not a blue collar type of guy. He's on his way to the big apple IMO.

JRober all of these guys have flaws. All of them. That's why, back when you were still compos mentis, you correctly said that you often have to throw out the stat sheet when evaluating these guys. The college stats often make these prospects look a lot better than they really are - or a lot worse. As a ready to go pocket passer Rosen has fewer flaws than the other guys. Dude has a golden arm, can make all the throws and make them accurately. If we went with the WCO he'd be ideal. Thing is maybe he'd rather play tennis. So, who do you like BTW.

If the Bills want to fill some holes and not burn their whole draft Rudolph is a candidate for sure. If they can nab him without moving up they very well might. What I don't know is how Beane feels about spending a first and sinking or swimming on a guy who is probably limited as to his ceiling. He would however be an immediate upgrade to what we have been used to seeing and there would be nothing to prevent Beane from picking another QB he might like more next year. I like Mayfield better but if he's 5'10" I have a hard time seeing Beane drafting him, assuming he can.

Rodgers was a cocky arrogant smug SOB. Process oriented guys sometimes don't like that. Same thing happened to G. Smith and Brady Quinn. That's why the 49rs probably preferred the much more approachable Alex Smith. Once he started to slide there was no getting out of the green room. Odd because before the draft he was seen as a likely #1 pick by many. The NFL humiliated him. Of course he went on to humiliate the naysayers. Rosen is a guy who could fall a bit because of his elitist attitude. He too will be a very good QB - if he wants to be. AR had the desire to be great, and of course he is.

77 million (I think 30 guaranteed) 4 years with no bonus. Thing is Irsay's will want at least some of our picks. How about another underperforming linebacker?

I suspect that the Bills will be drafting a QB with an early pick. They may move up to do it. They may not have enuf ammo to nail one of the top guys and they may not be willing to gut their entire draft for a QB either. They passed on a couple of good prospects last year, some feel better prospects than are available in this year's draft. We don't know what they are going to do, but we sort of know what the available options may be. If they get a vet good enuf to start they can go for a guy with a high ceiling but who is not ready to start. That would be Darnold/Allen. If they intend to start a rook assuming he wins the QB competition, then I think you are pretty much looking at Rosen, Rudolph and Mayfield. Mayfield behind Rudolph as a prospective starter but not for long IMO because unlike Rudolph he has a positive upward trending trajectory. Rudolph is a good QB and has played a lot of games, but he's pretty much the same guy he was four years ago. Mayfield is a very different and better QB today than when he started out. Rudolph can throw with accuracy and touch pretty much to all parts of the field even if his arm strength is only average. Unlike Tyrod he throws a very catchable ball. He's smart and is good at reading a defence. When things break down though his mechanics do as well. He becomes a very different QB. And you know that in the NFL the chaos will come. Mayfield plays in a QB friendly system, it's true, but the funny thing about him is that in his decision making he frequently forgoes his first, best and easy read to attempt a more spectacular, lower percentage throw. Unlike Rudolph he can excell when things break down. A little mentioned fact is that he is an excellent technician who has outstanding mechanics. Mayfield will have to tone down his college enthusiasm a tad in the pros, hopefully while retaining his leadership qualities. His teammates will not be kids but 30 year old guys with families to support.

Josh Rosen should be, based on value, the # 1 pick in this year's draft IMO. He is pretty much solely responsible for whatever little success the Bruins were able to achieve. He did not dominate college football and was unable to turn a mediocre program into a BCS contender. His lackluster supporting cast will not prevent him from being drafted high, and neither will the other Josh's. Of course maybe you don't think Rosen is a good prospect either.

Allen may or may not succeed. That comes with the turf. But to compare him with Jamarcus is flat out ridiculous. JR was a great athlete who completely lacked the intangibles, the work ethic and the desire to be great. If you had taken the time to acquaint yourself with Allen you would know that his intangibles, work ethic and desire to be great are top shelf (even if he is also a great athlete lol).

Absolutely no supporting cast. None. Like I said, Sam Darnold would not have looked any better, indeed probably worse, QBing that team in that conference. As BRooklyn Bills has noted above, if he had spent the last two years at a football factory with good receivers and a running game the production would be there. There is a clutch of QBs with much better stats who will be taken after, some long after, he will be.

I get the idea. It's pretty simplistic. Of course there are more who fail than succeed. A good QB, let alone a great one, is hard to find. Odd that the football professionals will be taking "a mediocre QB in a sub par conference" off the board at or near the top of the draft.

You were a diehard defender of EJs accuracy - until you turned on him. You were the first poster on the GS train - until you had to disembark. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who remembers even if you have forgotten. Allen will not be drafted high only on the basis of his athleticism. He has great intangibles. Of course the landscape is littered wth athletes who did not develop as QBs. EJ is an example. But there are also guys who came up displaying elite characteristics who panned out pretty well. Big Ben. John Elway (closest to Allen) as a QB type. Many thought Cam would bust. League MVP instead. The folks who do this for a business will be taking Allen of the board very early. It's not because they are clueless and don't know what they are doing.

Comparing Josh Allen to EJ Manuel makes me want to puke. Yes EJ was a big guy and he was athletic for his size. But Allen's athleticism is in a different dimension altogether. EJ was always an innacurate passer, even at FSU. Maybe you should revisit Bud Elliot's pre-draft assessment of EJ in Tomahalk Nation. It was 1000% spot on. I wish Whaley had taken the time to read it. EJ was part of the worst QB class in memory. My guess is that only one GM was deluded enuf to take him in the first round. The Patriots had him graded as a fifth round pick under the caption "athlete". EJ was an innacurate passer. In fact he could not hit the broad side of a barn. Allen is not "innacurate" in the same way. He often displays excellent accuracy, especially when making the more difficult throws. He needs to work on touch and the short passing game (the "easier" throws). Allen is inconsistent with his accuracy, like Cam was. That leads many to think that his issues are mechanical and will improve with coaching. A lot like Cam. Allen is 21 years old. True he was a nobody coming out of high school. He couldn't land a gig at a big football factory. But the guys who run the big college programs who passed on him are for sure kicking themselves now. Allen's 2017 team had basically no good skill position players (except him of course). Whatever they were able to accomplish was very much because of him. I would love to see how Sam Darnold would have made out with the team Allen played on. And actually Darnold and Allen are similar prospects except that Allen actually has a higher ceiling. What scouts see is that his throwing mechanics are much better than Darnold's. No wasted motion, basically straight over the top. And y'know that's why these two players will come off the board at or near the top of the draft (in spite of what you may think). Back in the BBMB days I remember you being a diehard defender of EJ's accuracy when it was clear to anyone who was not blind that he had none. You were also the first guy on - wait for it - the Geno Smith train. Remember that. Choo choo!!! As a judge of QBs you have no credibility. You should follow your own advice in this thread regarding box scores and college stats.

I did not realize that Canada was available. I'd like him a lot. A bright, creative, innovative guy is not a bad way to go. Look at the Rams. As far as QBs go my guess is that Beane likes Josh Allen. Why? Because he was Director of Player personnel in Carolina when they picked another circa 6'5" 235 pound QB who could run like the wind and had a very strong arm. There were lots of questions surrounding Cam's ability to transition successfully to the NFL passing game (some might say there still is lol). He couldn't throw a shallow out at the Combine but the Panthers were confident that he could develop and they were right. Some folks also question Allen's accuracy but the funny thing is it's the "easy" throws that he needs to work on. His long ball accuracy is considered very good. When Beane says he does not want a scheme specific QB I think he's signaling his preference for a prototypical big boy pocket passer. If the guy is mobile that's a plus for sure. I think Allen goes to Arizona or Denver. They may have to move up to get him.

Allen could be taken #1 overall. Personally if his head is right I would take Rosen ahead of him but I see Allen and Darnold as equivalent value with a similar risk reward profile. My guess is that Allen winds up in Arizona or Denver.

Yeah like I said he should have set up and fired. And Hill looks like his first read on that play. He bails because he sees the SAM who has an unobstructed path to him, but NFL QBs are expected to stand in and make that throw. At least he bails because he sees something (JH). You have to understand that we are used to seeing a QB bail because he has bad field vision and sees nothing.