starrymessenger

Peterman's physical skillset was never going to be his strong suit, but the thinking (hope) was that he would be long on QB smarts and, with the help of his QB coach and OC, the mental components necessary for playing the position. Unfortunately he looked yesterday pretty much (tho not quite) the same player we saw in LA last year. I'm not sure exactly how much is on him specifically and how much on the WR group and on the OC but it's also clear (and perhaps not surprising given his lack of experience) that he has not acclimated at all to real game in season action. I thought the protection yesterday was good enuf to allow him to make better use of it than he was able to do so I actually did not see this as the main problem. Having been early retired from his only two regular season starts, I have a hard time seeing McD starting him vs the Chargers (tho it might happen). My concern though is that mixing Allen in with a sub par group and a poor game plan may jeapordize his development. Just as Peterman looked like the same player we saw last year, when Allen has struggled he has looked a lot like the guy he was at WYO (which is not how you want him to look).

17/24, 243 yards, 2tds, 1 int., 1 fumble (lost).

And he hasn't even yet been introduced to the Lord Charles.

Meaning everything people don't like about Mallet Lynch has too - only probably even more of it. Otherwise they are almost carbon copies - same physical stature, same "huge arm" attraction - and really not much else, especially north of the shoulders.

Lynch is more Ryan Mallett than Ryan Mallett.

Obviously Brees is light years ahead of Peterman in most if indeed not all factors relevant to performance at the all important position. But arm strength is probably not the item that most accounts for the obvious gap in ability. First of all it should be recognized that "arm strength" in this context has relatively little to do with the strength of that part of the human anatomy. In football "arm strength" comes more from the core, hips and legs than the "arm" as such. In fact you absolutely do not want your QB relying on the strength of his arm and why good mechanics are essential to both velocity and accuracy - we should now all be familiar with this for obvious reasons i.e. Josh Allen. Drew Brees is a great passer not because his arm is strong but because he is smart, can make pre and post snap reads, has great field vision enabling him to go through his progressions quickly and smoothly, and because his throwing mechanics are absolutely impeccable making for very high rpms on his ball that promote accuracy and velocity. While his arm strength has declined somewhat with the years it is these other things that have permitted him to continue playing at a very high level. But Drew Brees never had a cannon and has never been a gunslinger. Core strength and good mechanics are things that QBs can and do work on routinely and Peterman is probably smart enuf to understand that these items should be near the top of his to do list. IMO the lack of velocity on quick outs made to his right are mechanical and therefore is potentially a correctable problem. He doesn't seem to have the same problem throwing that pass to his left but it's the mechanics for those two throws that are different. I don't know how or whether Peterman will pan out but I do think he can greatly benefit from studying Brees's game because that's the general type of QB that his mental and physical skill set would best enable him to become.

If he's to have any kind of career in the NFL Peterman has a lot to prove and, in the circumstances, the odds are stacked against him. He's a second year player with almost no in season experience. His O line and WR group are, until proven otherwise, sub par. The jury is still out on whether his arm is adequate (at best) or something less. These early season games will be a daunting test not only of Peterman but of his OC. If they can extend some of what we've seen in preseason to the regular season it will be a major accomplishment. If Peterman actually consistently plays well it will be very good news for the Bills.

Yeah, Stephen Hill all over again.

Hes worse. 77 yards on 35 targets last year. That's 2.2 yards per. Worst in NFL history. Flacco loves to stretch the field. If BR couldn't do it there what makes people he can do it here.

At least Robert could block. Brashad looks to have fantastic measurables - and nothing else. If they were serious about improving the WR corps there are a couple of guys out there who actually have some ability and would be overall upgrades (to Foster, who should be on the PS). They seem fixated on a burner tho - Brown, Coleman, Foster - but I don't see anyone like that out there who can play, except Brice Butler, who should be a target but maybe not because of the process thingy i.e. outspoken with a prickly personality.

Body catcher, hands of stone, questionable motor. Pass.

This guy would be a useful addition IMO. I don't think he will be unemployed for long.

Ive thought about this (not that it means much). So far my impression is that Kirk has a stronger arm. If I'm wrong then it certainly bodes well (or at least better than I expected) for NP.

Clearly the risk with Peterman is that he will be a turnover machine against a good starting defence that can bring pressure. His tendency to try to do more than he is capable of doing, a deadly combo of rookie arrogance and physical limitations (but mostly excessive self-assurance IMO), would account for this. He's clearly gotten better though and I'm hoping that he has learned a valuable lesson about playing more within himself, taking what the D is giving you, throwing the ball away and taking a sack when necessary. My view is that Allen's game evidences a similar problem. Though his physical ability is just about in a class by itself, one of the hallmarks of his college game is playing "hero ball", or, as I would rather say, trying to do more than even he can do. I'm not into conspiracy theories but whether it was intended or not (and I assume not) I think the Bengals game will be valuable experience. But I don't think he's there yet. I think Peterman may have learned something similar in LA last year and I suspect he's further along the learning curve. I think NP may develop into a good NFL QB, though of course there are no guarantees. I for one don't think he's Jeff Tuel. Terry Bradshaw said he thought Joe Montana was the GOAT. He also said Joe Montana couldn't throw a 15 yard out. I think NP gets the start against the Ravens and I think he will surprise his detractors in a good way. I don't think you will see the same guy you saw in LA last year. Im actually quite pleased with the Bills at the all important position (for a team that's a work in progress). They have a phenomenal prospect and another guy who may prove to be a lot better than people give him credit for.

Peterman, for now, will get the ball out quicker, will be more accurate with it, and will better synchronize his drops with the patterns his receivers will be running. Lombardi is a defective unit.

Chrissy & er backup definitely came to mind but y'know "The Beat" Rockpalast Hamburg 1978. Nuff said.

Good for Geno. He's a great player (the player Dareus should have been).

Elvis Costello & The Attractions

Don't really understand all the bad humour surrounding the QB controversy (such as it is). I take a step back and what I see is more ability, more talent and more promise at the position than the Bills have had in a very long time - regardless of who gets the start vs the Ravens (which should be Nate IMO).

Ok fair enuf, so Chad is the one example of a good NFL QB with maybe less than NFL adequate arm strength. Fact remains, two of the greatest ever QBs had only adequate arm strength. Nothing special. As well as other successful QBs. Peterman's arm strength looks to me to be adequate. Nothing more nothing less.

I agree. It looks to me like his arm is (not great but) NFL adequate - like Joe Montana, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning (2012-2014), Chad Pennington etc... adequate. If he fails lack of arm strength will not be the reason IMO. At the max of his range I think he can throw the ball 40-50 yards downfield if he has to. How many passes in a game travel more than 45 yards. Pre and post snap reads, the timing of throws, accuracy etc... are all more important. I think he will probably go as far as his smarts take him, which might be a long way.

True enuf 26 but just maybe he can. Now he will get his chance to show just what he can do - and with ample preparation there should be no excuses. Of course we should probably also take into consideration that he won't be behind a solid offensive line throwing 10 yard crossing patterns to the likes of Rice and Taylor who then take it 90 yards to the house.

JMO but it seems pretty obvious that NP will start vs the Ravens. He's clearly been the best of the three QBs this preseason and gives the team the best chance of winning. I don't know when the announcement will be made, maybe the Bills want to keep the opposition guessing, but Peterman should be getting the great majority of first team reps from here on in.

Not cutting Vlad any slack because he doesn't deserve it, but Geno Atkins has one of the best bull rush moves in the game. That's why he gets around ten sacks a year as an interior defensive lineman. Such an excellent player. Im not so sure.

Kinda black humour but I chuckled seeing Ross run circles around two Bills defenders falling all over themselves. Was like the greased pig thing they do at state fairs. Wont be funny if it continues tho.