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Obviously they would both need to be there at #9. Bills would have to trade back just a couple spots, probably Cincinnati to #11 and pick one of them. They would likely get a 3rd for that move. Assuming we don't want to give up any 1st's next year. We would have to trade #40 and both of our 3rds (and possibly something else) to get back into low teens. Miami could be a possibility at #13 as it allows them to stockpile picks for lots of needs and their tanking

I"m assuming these are our only 10 picks in the draft, they need to fit the team's needs and we can't start trading: 1 DT - Q Williams 2 EDGE - Josh Allen 3 EDGE - Bosa 4 OT - Dillard 5 OL - J Williams 6 TE - Hockenson 7 WR - AJ Brown 8 OLB - Devin Bush 9 RB - Jacobs 10 CB - Byron Murphy

Yep,... and we have another thread that has already dismissed Dion Dawkins as a bust that should be traded

He's just outstanding. I read everything I can from him.

Maybe so, but that would be misguided. While they haven't had the success yet, I'm tired of the all the bashing the too frequently happens. As the OP pointed out, both Bon Jovi group or Trump would have led to disaster for fans. For the most part they've believed in hiring GMs would would be considered young, up and comers (Whaley, Beane, Murray, Botterill) who much of league would have agreed were ready to step up and lead teams. Some of it hasn't worked out, granted, but I have to believe we'll have good days ahead, particularly w/ the Bills as they're being built. We'll see with the Sabres as they're monumentally frustrating. However, as far as the Pegulas go, they've haven't constrained their GMs/Coaches, have spent freely on finding talent and having top-notch facilities and have not interfered in week-to-week operations. Not every move is going to work out, but we're far better with them than without as far as I can see...

I think teams trading up in that area are moving up to get the QB of their choice. You have to pay a premium for that. Take a look at our trade-ups last year and AZ's for Rosen. They all paid a premium when evaluated against the trade value charts.

I take your point, however, I think that trading back to accumulate more 2nds is OK. If we collect any later round picks, they need to be used to move back into 2nd round. If we can end up w/ an extra 1-2 picks in the 2nd, then I'm good w/ trading back. We certainly don't need to keep accumulating 3rd day picks. I think I would let Oliver drop to us, but I don't have any problem with them making a move up for Quinnen Williams as you suggest

Need their 4th as well to trade that far back from #9... maybe both of their 4ths

He has to give up something to move from 48 down to 37. Based on the value chart that prices Zay Jones as a top of the 4th round pick. That's probably not out of line...

Interesting approach. Hard to imagine trade w/ Dolphins, but I like that we end up w/ 3 picks in the top 37. I like the move back in first for Wilkins. I'm so mixed on Metcalf, but wouldn't be unhappy to see this happen.

that's just based on size... TEs have to work pretty hard in the blocking game. I don't think he has the desire in him to make that change.

While this is a digression on topics related to debating BPA strategy and who we should pick in the first round, I thought I would post it here as its a great tribute to how many pro athletes give back to their communities. On the Bills we have many players led by Lorenzo Alexander and already from LaAdrian Waddle (and wife) who invest substantial effort their communities.... so there's my tie-in to the Bills Must see video...

You're right,... I'm just speaking for myself. The SabresSpace forum goes in the opposite direction where they rigorously seems to stick to not having repeat threads and some of these run well into the double-digits in pages. I just don't have enough time to keep up with that, so I like the multiple threads even if its variations in thought on a larger umbrella issue. Though we've certainly had multiple BPA and who's your #1 pick threads.... how many days until the draft??

I know... it was just an attempt at humor

That's possible, but really once a thread is past 8 pages its impossible to keep up with it. The topic often digresses and introducing a new thought will just get lost in the volume. New threads have no cost and for me its just easier to keep track of

I'm not sure I agree that BPA is a always a single player, especially as the draft moves into the mid to later rounds. It might a be a tight clustering of 2-5 players that are at the top of your remaining board. From there they would pick the player from a needed position group. For example, if in Round 4 the top three players in order was a QB, S and RB and they were within a very close range of grading (not sure exactly how the Bills grading system looks), then I'm sure we wouldn't be picking the QB, but probably opting for the RB

My first reaction is what an under-sized QB Kelly was.... how did we never notice?

BPA by what measure? They have their own internal grading that we'll never see. By the 2nd round the top 5 BPAs, are probably pretty close in rating, so its not a choice of a single player as THE BPA. Let me shift the scenario a bit. You say we picked Oliver w/ #9. Its highly unlikely, but lets say someone like Christian Wilkins drops to #40. He would likely be graded considerable higher than whoever else are the next best available players. Lets say the same ones that OP identified. Would we pick him... I bet we would!

I was actually going to disagree with you, but then looked at the value chart for the Bills 2 first round trade-ups last year. In the Allen trade they moved from 12 up to 7 and gave up to 2nds. Per the chart, one of the 2nds should have been enough. Then in the Edmunds trade they moved from 22 up to 16 for first pick of 3rd round and a 5th. The 3rd by itself should have been enough for that trade. So we paid a premium in both trade-ups even as they were down in the area of #16 pick.... I'll bump you a beer on your post!

...that should amp up the interest in this forum

I disagree that Allen was going #1 to Browns. As I recall, the tweets surfaced the morning of the draft, possibly the day before. By that point, the Mayfield to Browns train was already in full motion

I would imagine they may give him a year on Practice Squad if he can't make the team. It will be tough, but if he's going to be an NFL player he has to rise to the challenge of competition. I don't want to outright dismiss anyone.... we all saw how Robert Foster responded to his wake-up call last year

I'm sure this is in some thread somewhere, but what's the issue w/ Spain? Why hasn't anyone signed him, why is he only worth a 1 year deal??

Great perspective. I recall a few years ago there was also plenty of talk about needing WRs. There was near universal consensus on this board that Laquon Treadwell (another Ole Miss guy) would be a great NFL receiver. I can hardly recall an argument against that on the board leading up to the draft. The Vikings stole him at #23 and at this point they probably wish it was the 23rd pick of the 7th round.

OK, so I'll throw out my crazy, likely unrealistic plan for everyone to flame. In any trade-down the goal has to be more 2nd round picks. If we can't additional #2s, then they shouldn't consider. This idea involves trading down 2x to end up with #1 in the low 20s and three #2s. Offer additional later round picks if value chart demands in order to get more #2s 1. Trade down w/ Bengals or Redskins to #11 / #15 who may want a QB, picking up their #2. Would need to add our #3 and possibly one of our #4/5 if Bengals as they're only moving down 2 spots 2. Trade down w/ possibly Texans or Raiders #23 / #24 picking up their #2 (not sure if that's realistic?). Would likely need to add one of our #4/5 if Oakland as they pick earlier in 2nd round than us Then pick: -- #2x, WR AJ Brown -- With the three #2s we pick OL (ideally Risner), DT (ideally Tillery) and TE (ideally Irv Smith) We end up with much less in later rounds, but we have four highly valued players across our need spectrum...