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Yes. What people are missing is that a fg for Den was a formality at that point if the Bills don't convert. That puts them down 17 or 3 scores for those bad at math. The way the Bills played it gave them a chance to get the ball back and win. How can anyone question this?!?!!? Well therein lies the rub Cat. You are assuming that these people watch any other games. More and more lately I'm getting the feeling that people don't watch ANY other teams. Twice Orton just turned his back in the pocket and waited for contact. Once it never came and he was caught off guard. This guy is the worst. I feel bad for Hackett, I seriously do. Thad and Tuel don't belong on the field, EJ is a project, and Orton is a career backup. This guy has been given garbage at the most important position in sports and it will likely cost him his job. For all the whining about the redzone offense, I can think of 2 Orton picks in the endzone, a Hogan fumble in the redzone, and a Bryce fumble in the red zone just off the top of my head. He called a very good game yesterday and has been for the last few weeks. He has just been getting Ortoned. My "favorite" was the bs call on Gillmore on the Sanders hit. That wasn't pass interference. The refs got bailed out though by Hughes drawing yet another personal foul flag but that conversation belongs in a different thread. I agree though 11 points were gifted to the Broncos in this game. All game long I kept thinking about how differently it would be playing out.

The same Harbaugh that just lost to the 1-10 Raiders?!?!?!!? Can you imagine what this board would look like if that happened? Grass is not always greener my friend... This post was phenomenal! I feel bad shortening it down but I wanted to make sure I addressed how good this was! Seriously the Bills are playing their best football in a decade plus and because the Bills lost a game on the road, where the refs gifted the other team 11 points, to one of the top 5 qbs, the coaching staff is terrible and needs to be replaced? I'm saddened by the idiocy of fans that feel this way... The penalty on Robey, and then the bs flag that led to the penalty on Hughes both happened on third down and after the Bills got the stops. One would have led to a fg and the other they would have punted. 11 free points from the refs in the NFL is obnoxious, ridiculous, and a whole mess of other superlatives. To see this team continue to fight and not quit and be in it with less than a minute left tells me that this coaching staff needs to come back. Even Hackett called a very good game today.

11 free points for the Broncos that half. Hopefully this one is called a little better now that they spotted them the lead.

Wow say what you will about Romo but that was about as good of a throw on the run as you will ever see!

Ps3 is a fantastic system. Playing online is indeed free. Playing online for the ps4 is $50 for a year but that also includes a ton of free games and other things. Both systems can play netflix, hulu, etc.. The PS3 has not been fazed out yet and they are still releasing new games for the system. Sony has been nothing but great to me over the years and that is why I continue to buy Sony. The price difference should be quite noticeable. Around this time of year (and anytime you buy a console really) you should always look for a bundle. 500gb PS3 bundles run about $250 while PS4 runs about $400.

I also have a first round bye in one league and start Matt Ryan. Due to his inconsistencies I speculatively added Manziel. He is worth a stash spot and today won't cost you in waiver order. As for Kap he is absolutely maddening. A sneaky add if there (and I feel dirty saying this) is tannehil. Other than this lasy week he has been playing and scoring quite well.

Well this was about what I expected. A tema led by Gbinije, Cooney, and Rak is going to be very inconsistent for stretches. I love what I am see from McCullough. By the end of the year I think this team will be much better than what we are seeing right now. Cooney is maddening though. When he is confident he is a killer. He just more often than not looks like he feels he doesn't belong. Unfortunately Cuse is going to be an easy team to beat this year. Just get Rak and McCullough in foul trouble and they are done. On a different note. How in the world was that not an and 1 for Gbinije last night?!?!? Cuse definitely deserved to lose after blowing back to back chances after that and all of the turnovers they had but damn was that a missed call.

I got this pack with my amazon prime membership. Also when I bought the new COD I bought it digitally so I got it for PS4 for free as well. I've always been a sony guy though so I am biased. How are the sports games for the next gen systems? I used to love Madden on the pS2 but thought it didn't get ported well to the ps3. Are the sports games back on track on the 4? I'd love to get involved in Madden again.

not for nothing but this Miami team almost just lost to the Jets. Remember last year when they had to win 1 of 2 gimme games against the Bills and Jets? That didn't quite work out as planned... any given sunday (at least I hope lol)

I was speaking more to the lack of QB talent to come out of the Big 10 than anything else. I agree that it doesn't correlate to success or failure. I think though that it can help you determine whether it is a player exceeding against a certain level of talent (good or bad), exceeding WITH a certain level of talent around them (good or bad), or exceeding because they ARE the talent.

I'm thinking that this thread is a response to the "how will you respond to blowout" thread. I'm thinking that people still have memories of LAST years Denver offense etched in their brains. I'm thinking that most people don't realize the Broncos only have the 5th rated offense this year. I'm thinking that most people have not watched the Broncos turn into a run first ball control offense. I'm thinking personally (opinion alert) that this has a lot to do with Manning's arm which is nowhere near what it once was. I'm thinking this will most likely be a loss but it isn't the guarantee that some are making it out to be. If the Bills can be physical at the line with DEN WRs and pressure Manning I will like the Bills chances even more. I'm sure many of you saw the Manning line stat on Sunday night football but in case you missed it: Teams that score less than 21 points are 4-113 against him Teams that score more than 21 are 62-72 So it is imperative that the Offense gets to at least 21. Which for as bad as the team has been offensively is achievable as they are averaging 22 points a game. Can they win it? Yes they can Will they win it? Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh I hope so?

Running qbs to me always blessed with an advantage of being able to make plays with their feet while they learned how to become pocket passers. Case in point was D McNabb. he came in as a dual threat and then ran less and less as he became a better passer. It helps them learn on the job while also being succesful. Unfortunately RG3 and CK have not been able to do that. They are running less but never quite developed the passing skills to balance that out. As for Cam I am willing to throw this whole year out for him. His line is terrible, he missed all of the offseason with an ankle injury, he only has Benjamin and Olsen to throw to, and no running game at all. He also is a much better passer to me but he still has a lot to learn especially when it comes to touch on his throws. As an aside.... It also drives me crazy that College and the Pros use 2 different balls. What is the point? Why not just have one ball. It would help qbs especially get an early jump on learning how to throw the longer, skinnier ball. The Big 10 is not nearly what it once was. Brady and Brees come from a completely different era of Big 10 ball and Wilson spent the majority of his time in the ACC. Currently starting from the Big 10 in the NFL: Drew Stanton - backup forced in by injury Orton - drafted in 2005 Hoyer - about to lose his job Brady - drafted in 2000 Brees drafted in 01 R WIlson - he is an ACC qb in my mind. Not exactly a whos who of recent success. Brees and Brady are 13 and 14 year vets. The others are back end of the league talent.

The line was definitely at fault there... The guy that was double teamed made the tackle! He shed the double team like it was no big deal and got Boobie before he even had a chance.

2 1-10 teams in the AFC and the atrocious NFC South have helped to make this happen. Unfortunately the Bills only get a slight benefit of playing the 1-10 Raiders. The Browns on the other hand.... I have posted it a couple of other times but want as many eyes on it as possible. The Browns have played the 15th hardest schedule in the AFC and the 30th hardest in the NFL. The fact that they are 7-4 is fools gold. They lost to Jacksonville! People have posted how the Bills have only beaten up on bad teams and lost to the good ones, the Browns have played 4 games against teams with winning records and they were all interdivision games! They have played the 1-10 Raiders, the 1-10 Jags, the 2-9 Bucs, the 2-9 Titans, etc.... 7 games against teams with losing records and 4 of them are against the 4 worst teams in football. The Bills meanwhile have played the 3rd hardest schedule in the AFC and 7th hardest in the NFL to date and are 1 game back of the Browns. I am rooting for Indy in this game. I want them to run away with the division. It would give them wins over the Browns and Texans in the next few weeks and maybe even put them in a position to battle for homefield advantage.

Not to turn this into a Marrone thread but..... This is exactly what I have been talking about when defending him. Everyone wants to talk about how talented the defense is and it is. Nobody wants to admit how glaring the holes are on the offensive side of the ball. He is just supposed to "coach them up" because he is an offensive coach. Get him some talent and he will turn into a good coach . Jimmy Johnson with the Cowboys - 36 wins in his last 3 years there - 2 sb championships Jimmy Johnson with the Dolphins - 36 wins in his 4 years there - not even an AFC championship game appearance Mike Shanahan with John Elway in Denver - 2 sb wins - 47 wins in 4 years Mike Shanahan without J. Elway in Denver - 1 season out of 10 that matched the wins with Elway in a season, 0 sb appearances, 1 AFC Championship game appearance I can keep going but I think my point is clear....

Me too. From this article: Offensive tackle Seantrel Henderson said. "And hey, we fight. That's what we do. Coach Marrone always preaches that we're still in the race. We can still win out. We can beat anybody in the NFL. We all believe that. We rallied around coach Marrone and the whole coaching staff, and we're just going to keep riding this thing out. That's what we're going to do." "We stuck together, really," wide receiver Mike Williams said. After the game, Marrone was asked whether the win, after the week the Bills and Western New York had, was one of his finest moments in his 27-game, NFL head coaching career. "Hopefully not," he said bluntly. But to date, it has to be up there, right? "You guys know how I am," Marrone quipped. "I've got zero personality. I'm already looking toward next week. We have to get in and get this done. ... I like him and think that Bills fans are unnecessarily taking out frustrations from people before him. He has this team playing tough hard nosed football. He has this team competing in every single game. He has matched the win total from each of the last 4 years in 11 games. He is doing a good job.

What a punt block that was. Boobie played the game of his life on Monday. Ran the ball hard on offense and owned that poor blocker on the punt block.

Alright lets have a conversation! Oh nevermind.... As many have pointed out through the thread many coaches make these same decisions. Why is that? Even though statistics say you have a better than 50% chance of making it? Simply because if you don't make it, it is a huge blow to your team. You are putting your defense at a disadvantage, you are giving the offense a short field, it is deflating to the team and that is just in game. Then you have to listen to bunch of media and fan question why you made the choice. Every decision a coach makes is the right one or the wrong one purely on results. People wouldn't care about the punt in the Miami game with 9:55 on the clock if the defense forced a 3 and out. They gave up a long scoring drive and Marrone is an idiot. The team goes for it on 4th and 10 against the Chiefs, if they score a td Marrone is a genius, they didn't and he is an idiot. The reason it is so frustrating to many is they get the benefit of hindsight and no consequences to their decision. If you disagree and want the coach to go for it and he punts, there is no way to know whether it was the right call or not. You will never know if they would have gotten it. If the defense then goes on to give up a long drive it doesn't mean they should have gone for it, it means the decision didn't work out as planned. It doesn't make it the wrong decision. If they go for it and get it, it is the right choice. If they go for it and don't get it, it is the wrong choice. That is how many fans view it and that just isn't true.

Remember when Rex owned the Bills? When they would just punch them in the mouth? Not under Marrone!

I think most people that are being honest with themselves thought the same thing in regards to the win total. Somehow though that will not be enough anymore to save Marrone's job. I wouldn't mind Hackett coming back again but I also wouldn't mind him being shown the door. I hope that the Bills have seen the success a former hc can give you in a coordinator position and bring one on if they do indeed fire Hackett. This team is close imo. 3 glaring areas all on the offensive side of the ball; both guards, te, and most importantly qb. If they can improve those areas next year without taking a hit at any of their current strengths I would expect more next year.

Wait... where are they.... Oh your wife holds onto them?

To me it was the sack Mario had on Vick where he threw him to the ground like a kid! Poor Vick lol I was hoping to add more to the Marrone thread from yesterday Then I came to the wall this morning and saw the Sammy thread That game yesterday was surreal. It was like watching the early 90s teams when the game was never in doubt. Not once did I even think for a second the Jets would mount a comeback. Orton played very well, Woods had the game of his life, Boobie was a man possessed, and the defense, oh man the defense. I guess Marrone was a good coach yesterday

I said it yesterday and I will say it again today.... Where in the world do Bills fans get this sense of entitlement? A win is a win but and 38-3 I'll take it but?!?!?!!?!?! Are you serious? The Bills lost a home game, played a division rival with short rest, and blew their doors off. You want to complain about how they got 38 points?!?!?! Did it not happen how you wanted it to?!?!?! They ran a lot of successful plays last night and there is zero to B word about. You know what else a #1 WR does for a team? Open up other players to be successful. That is what happened last night. The Jets were so concerned with stopping Sammy they failed at pretty much every other aspect of the game. The Jets were succesful doing what they wanted to do and they lost 38-3! They were awful successful last night as well without doing it. Are you saying they should have forced the ball to him even though it wasn't there and avoid open players to do so? I don't think you are but that is what it sounds like....

Just going to drop this here as I think it sums up nicely what I have been trying to say. Watch other games and you will see many of the same issues if not worse problems when watching other teams. Nobody in football, players or coaches, are perfect.