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I say on my couch and watched New England destroy Denver clearly they too must not be a playoff team...

For sure rooting for the Broncos over Pats. For sure rooting for Jets over Chiefs as I want the Jets to win as many games as possible sans the second Bills game to screw themselves out of a pick. I'm rooting for the Phins for a different reason. I can envision a scenario where the Pats struggle through their next few games and they fall down to third in the division. It is a pipe dream (a pipe filled with some really high quality sh*t) but I would love to see the AFC East finish with the Bills on top at something like 11-5,12-4, hell if we're pipe dreaming 13-3 and the Fins one game behind that. With the Pats* just missing the playoffs. The only other game I disagree with the rooting interest in the article is rooting against the Colts. Having the Colts get home field advantage over the Pats* if they do end up winning the division would be great. Part of the success imo of the Pats* is due to the fact that they regularly beat up on a sub par division, get a bye, play on their home field for 1 game, and voila! They are in the AFC Championship game.

I really liked this article. Not only did I like what I read about Orton but EJ as well. Most of the quotes have been hashed out here that were great but I'll add one more from Whaley... "He has become a big part of getting our guys expecting to win instead of hoping to win" From EJ: "I'm watching. I'm learning. Every practice. Every play in every game. I'm always prepared if my number is called. But I am definitely learning how to do some things by watching him." From Orton: "When you are a young quarterback, it's all big. You think you know how to prepare, but you really don't know how to prepare." This not only gives me hope for Orton in the present but also Manuel in the future. My biggest concern for EJ was the apparent lack of leadership. It seems like he is learning, without pressure, how to do so. My biggest concern with Orton was that he was just a mediocre journeyman. It appears that the time he has spent has been spent well and he may be better than I thought. (I hope so!)

Did this really happen? Who was it? I don't have twitter please let me see this. I would cut the player immediately if I was Rex lol If you watch the clip posted Graham stayed in the endzone like he was supposed to. I would have loved to see the Jets shiny new toy THROW a pick. Or run it out as he had and then throw it to Graham who knelt down thinking it was a touch back and getting a safety. Those were the only other 2 results I could think of that would have been better. With how well the D played yesterday I fully expected a sack/safety or turnover for td after they started on the 1.

The mistake in this play is actually on Harvin. He shouldn't have run the ball out of the endzone. The play is designed with one less blocker and relies on the st unit to ignore Graham. This opens up the pass to Graham and he can run it unobstructed. The issue is Harvin took it out of the endzone which removes the touchback (the right play) if the pass isn't open (it wasn't). This is a bad play by him not Graham.

I'm thinking a G/TE would help the running game more. Brown and Dixon will be here as will Freddy and if you look at the free agent crop of rbs there is an awful lot of talent there. FA rbs also tend to be pretty cheap compared to other positions. I want to see a G more than anything as I think it is the most glaring hole on the team and great ones can be had in the second round.

Aaron Rodgers had a negative rating in a blowout... A blowout win. That tells you how good pff is.

Ha! I knew I had left that opening when I typed it but decided to leave it. I certainly never had a diagnosed concussion and played soccer close to year round. I started when I was 4 and continued until I was too old, fat, and out of shape to keep up with the kids playing indoor (so like 28 lol).

That is 100% wrong. Many many many goals are scored off of headers. Concussions aren't caused by heading the ball. They are caused by heading the ball incorrectly or as another poster said hitting heads with another player. Much like the risk of concussions/injuries is lessened when players tackle correctly a head butt done correctly will not cause a concussion. I played soccer for many years and never got a diagnosed concussion. I don't remember any instance of heading the ball and having any symptoms. MMJ It was Kolb that was drafted in the second while McNabb was still around.

Yup this game was terribly officiated and it all benefited one team. Shocking no that's not the word, surprising no that's not it either, par for the course. Yep that's the one. I do enjoy when the announcers or the official paid by the networks points out how and why the call should be one way and the refs on the field call it the other way. I don't understand how somethings can be so clearly seen and not called correctly. That fumble was clear and the most egregious call imo. The PI that was bogus as well as the non PI on Gates in the end zone was also bogus but at least the refs weren't looking at video evidence in slow motion before making the wrong call. The league's elite benefits again. Must be my loser mentality that saw one team I don't care about clearly get the benefit of multiple poor calls over another team I don't care about.

No. Walter Jones or Anthony Munoz perhaps but Peters? I also don't think Revis will last long enough to be considered the best ever.

:worthy: Props for this my man. There isn't enough of this anywhere really. I would love to post this as Orton raises the Lombardi trophy in February.

The measurement is the biggest joke in all of sports. Placing an oblong shaped object based on where the ref feels like it and then a dog and pony show to see if a first down was earned? There has to be a better way. I wonder how feasible gps mapping would be as then you are worrying about where it was when the knee went down. I hate it but I just don't see a good solution to it.

How can you say there is no way for him to see it?

This sums me up pretty well. I am an optimist and I didn't like what I saw yesterday but I am happy for the w. Not super excited like I was after the first 2 games but I am happy the Bills are sitting at 4-3 instead of 3-4. That said there was an awful lot not to like about yesterdays game. I will take an ugly win over a pretty loss any day but I hope to see more going forward.

This post sums up my entire thoughts on the situation. Well done.

Did you miss the post I responded to? The one that included this: Whos the better QB at this point, Ej or Orton? Clearly Orton. Who gives us the better chance to win, EJ or Orton? Clearly Orton. What are we arguing here? Do I think Ortons a long term answer? No. Do I think EJ's a long term answer? No. I was responding to the very last part of the post. I also disagree that we would be 2-5 as the defense played a huge role in both of Orton's win but we will never know that so I don't care to argue that...

Or the lions game where Sammy tipped it to himself.

I'm not sure what we are arguing here because even the people that are "hating" (ops word not mine) Orton most likely agree with almost everything you said. The only thing I can't jump on board with yet is whether not EJ is the long term answer. Orton: quicker release, more accurate, better yardage stats, less points Manuel: more mobility, less turnovers, less sacks, more points It is a pick your poison with both of them. The only thing I will say is we know what Orton is and it is mediocre, this year that might be enough to get it done. We have no idea where Manuel will end up.

I'll play along. The lions scored 7 points on offense. The other 7 were gift wrapped by Orton. The Vikings scored 16 points yesterday. So in Orton's 2 wins the defense has given up 23 points. The defense played out of their minds in the Detroit game and still needed 3 missed fgs for the inept offense to have a chance at the end. I would love to discuss more of my lack of football iq but I need to know where you are coming from to do so. Do you honestly think that it is Kyle Orton winning these games or is the defense?

Except you can clearly see the ref motion it to be St Louis ball before the pile has been completely broken up. At that point it doesn't matter who has the ball when the pile is broken up. The ref must've seen St. Louis in clear possession to make that call and if you look there is also a Ram player right by him that saw the same thing and motioned it to be there ball almost simultaneously. A review would have been impossible to determine anything so I understand why none was called for.

A replay would have been impossible to see who got the ball. As for who emerged from the pile with the ball, that matters little. If St Louis knew that the refs were giving them the ball they won't keep fighting for the ball. The bottom of piles are exceptionally dirty. Once your team has the ball and is granted possession I can see not continuing to fight for it. Special Teams cost the Hawks this game. That punt return was unbelievable - how does the team not know which direction the punter is kicking the ball! The fake punt late in the game was brass balls by Fisher.

Although I am not a "supporter" (he is the QB of the Bills so I am rooting for his success) I agree with everything in this post. Including the excellent conversion on 4th down but mostly with the second paragraph

To the bolded: Absolutely not. Never anywhere. Not on here, not in conversation with my friends, never.