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It is cheap depth for a guy who has played fairly well (Esp as he always plugged in as a backup). Some people just like to complain.

Multiple very good "pocket collapsing" DT's who are also massive and hard to move in the ground game should be there at pick 30. Kenneth Grant and Tyleik Williams are my early draft crushes for the Bills at or around pick 30, I also like Derrick Harmon. I think one of those 3 should be there at pick 30.

Knowing about one but not the other is what's odd. Like I can see thinking with Hoecht it's a 3 year deal and you need guys healthy for the playoffs 6 games is a big chunk of the season but the Bills are deep along the D-line they can survive it esp if they bring in a couple of bodies there during the draft. Larry O doesn't make sense but if this keeps him healthier for later in the season could be a blessing in disguise.

What an odd situation. Makes drafting a couple of D-Line players early a priority.

He’s a camp body, Bills 1-9 on the offensive line is very solid. Starting 5 returns Dawkins, Edwards, McGovern, Torrence Brown. Key Depth- Anderson/Van Denmark Developmental Depth- SVPG/Grabel Bills tend to carry around 9/10 Offensive linemen so I think Green will just be in a competition with a late round pick and undrafted players for a last offensive line spot maybe another low end vet gets added

Bills only “pressing” needs are corner and 1-Tech DT, I would also put WR on the fringe of that. The draft is loaded at mammoth DT’s the Bills should be able to find that. But CB is where they need a starting caliber player there. Add that and I think we are good.

I don't think a vet D-line player makes sense for the Bills. Looking at the D-line and it's already a crowded field. EDGE- Groot/Bosa/Hoecht/AJE/Solomon DT- Ed/Larry O/Daquon/Carter The Bills already have 9 D-line players very likely to make the roster and they only carried 11 last year (6 DT's 5 DE's). Also looking at the outlook of the group longer term they need a couple of youth and development players there. Bosa/Larry O/Daquon/AJE are all older players or on the last year of their contracts even Ed is going to be 29 net season. Bills can't clog up another spot with a rental. The only players on rookie deals are Carter and Solomon and while I think they are OK prospects neither are players who I would say are foundational prospects. Get me a big time run stuffing 1-Tech DT like Kenneth Grant or Tyliek Williams in round 1 to round out the DT core and then take an edge prospect in round 2 to secure the future of the position and add some depth. Basically you have to add some youth and prospects to the position at this point. Stock the back end with younger players esp with this being a strong D-line draft class.

With Bosa and Larry O the team added two vets, the Bills also still have Daquon whose older. Even AJE whose younger is on the last year of his deal. The Bills need to get in a younger player/prospect on the edge.

Was cut so doesn't count against comp picks, seems like a camp body young vet to try and add some competition. Not a major move but not a bad one.

Austin Johnson and Smoot could also be comp pick adds. Bills seem to draft well in the 5-6 round range under McBeane so even just adding a comp pick in that range would be solid.

What do you get the woman that has everything?

Bosa and Larry O were cut so they don’t count against the Bills. Thus far I think the Bills are down on Palmer, Hoecht, and Forrest. While Mack and Toohill count as losses. If Cooper and Douglas sign elsewhere the Bills will be in line for a comp pick.

Exactly my thought always good to get one on the plus side of the ledger

Fair enough on the point that we wouldn't make the playoffs although I would argue if you had an average starting QB plus 20-30 million more in cap space the team could win 10 games and make the playoffs. But we can agree to disagree on that front. As far as are all three elite? Hard to say it does take a lot of luck to win a title but then it is a catch 22 as you say then why doesn't this team have at least one title?

It is a good draft class for D-line, I'm good with drafting a DT/NT in round 1/2 and drafting an edge in round 1/2. Two good young players will plug in for depth and development and I think with the vets brought in they will be fine there. CB is where I think the Bills will need to find a good vet in free agency so they aren't desperate in the draft for one.

I'm giving credit to the entire brain trust that's put together a good roster prior to Josh and around Josh. Could it be better in some respects? Yes. But it this a 5 win team without Josh? No. I also think you craft a different roster when you draft in the mid 20's and lower year after year while also having a big chunk of your cap occupied by a QB contract. Without Josh this team also has a lot more cap space to spread around. When you have a QB on a massive contract that changes the complexion of the roster because Josh's 40-50 million cap number is a number that can produce 3-5 starters. Then of course you have the multiplier impact of drafting lower.

I noticed that in the thread, he also has cool nickname in Forrest Thump. Liking this signing, low risk high quality depth that could turn into a good effective starter.

From 2017 and the 5 games in 2018 without Josh the Bills have a 10-11 record (10-12 if you include the playoff game). Despite taking an enormous amount of dead cap in both seasons to clear the books of a lot of the Rex Ryan era bad contracts. A game or two below .500 in those circumstances seems to go against your argument. The first year McBeane took over they broke a 17 season playoff drought. But in year two they went 1-4 without their rookie QB on a roster that was clearing cap space so they are bad.

He was with the Ravens previously a reunion would make sense. Jets cleaning house which is what they need to do.

"Losing Record Without Josh" is just you trying to find a problem where there isn't one. Josh has since his rookie year played every single game. Yeah in his rookie season they have a losing record without him. You are just cherry picking an insanely small sample size that makes no sense. Taking out turnovers is insane, the Bills had a defense that made big plays, doesn't seem like a negative. If this team had Sam Darnold plus 20-30 million more in cap space to get a couple of extra pieces this team may not make the playoffs but I think they would win at least 9 games. Certainly even if you factored out the cap space I think this team with an average starter would win at least 8 games. Josh helps a lot but this team wouldn't win more than 8-9 games if the supporting cast was a 4-5 win team.

This team went 9-7 with Tyrod at QB. The team has a decent amount of talent outside of Josh. The team boasts a top 5 offensive line, a top 5-7 RB core, a top 5-7 TE combo, and an at worst above average defense. Yeah the defense could use a few more pieces and the WR core might need a piece but to act like if you put Sam Darnold on this team instead of Josh they would go 5-12 is just dishonest.

Bills don't like to restructure older players or players coming off of injuries. Ed will be 28 later this season and doesn't have a major injury history. Seems like a good bet for a restructure. The Bills have some other levers to pull to open up cap space. Knox, Milano, and Dawkins all could have their deals reworked and McGovern could be extended. I think they will pull the lever on Dawkins and possibly rework Knox's deal, I think with Milano they leave it be while also McGovern might get extended. I think the Bills will be fine cap wise they should have space to make a upper mid-level or lower type move at least.

5th for a 6th this year plus getting a 7th in 2026 is a solid return, seems like that amounts to a mid to late 5th rounder. Cowboys taking a chance on Elam a player whose a very good athlete and might just need a change of scenery. Win/win trade. Best of luck to Elam.

I hope Bishop locks down a spot. I think he looked a little shaky when he got some starts later in the season, but I think he started to look a lot better by the time the playoffs came around. I think his issue was just getting a better feel for the game and the more snaps he got the better he looked. I hope with the snaps he took and an off-season to work on it he locks down a starting spot. Forest/Rapp/Hamlin locking down the other spot I'm fine any of them. But considering how high of a pick he was and the potential he flashed Bishop not locking down a starting spot would be a disappointment. Ideally having Forest and Bishop with Hamlin as a reserve and Rapp flexing around as a "big nickel" seems to make the most sense.

Hamiln plays Special Teams, so if Forest takes a starting job and puts Hamlin on the bench there's still a role for Hamlin.