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https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/nfl-quarterback-wonderlic-scores-matter-a-great-deal-042417/ The info in that above link makes a pretty good argument, that there should be st least some relevance and importance to the Wonderlic test. Of course there has been shown to be exceptions to the rules, as shown there and noted, as a few that scored low are Hall of Famers, and some that scored high are journeyman or below average, but lots of those qbs with scores 27 and 28 AND ABOVE were and are more successful at playing and higher rated in the nfl than those with scores at 26 and lower, with many of those qbs performing poorer. The average of qb scores was 24. The super bowl winning qbs the last ten years supposedly averaged between 30 and around 32. I am wondering if the Bills will factor in or scrutinize the scores of the 2018 prospects? If so, an educated guess based on other info I read about Rosen and intelligence, is that he could score high. Not sure about the others though. Much physical talent plus high Wonderlic score could reduce the risk of failure, or in some cases the above average talent could be because of that great cognitive abilities, which compensated for any physical shortcomings. In other cases, tremendous physical talent can prevail despite any less ability to think quickly in a cognitive or logical way. Who knows. It was interesting to read though, as there seems to be at least some correlation between high Wonderlic score and likelihood of nfl long term success.

Yea, agree if that is true.. I am not a fan of any wide receiver that cannot get separation. I rather get DJ Chark in the 2-3rd round. He is very fast and underrated, as his qb in college did not know how to throw or use him. You cannot go wrong with that guy with that name and potential. Also, let’s get Micheal Gallup in the 5th round or so. He sounds like a horse that could get open . I miss the days of James Jet, Rocket Ishmael, Don Beebe, Mike Quick, as wide receivers. And for running backs Speedy Neal and Booker Moore. Even if some were busts. average or below, we could think big. Seriously though, I do not know enough about Allen Hurns. They are releasing him for some reason, and perhaps it is that separation issue, if not other.

I forgot to mention too that on May 23, 2017 Ron Reagan Jr said Trump was guilty of treasonous offenses, as is the press now saying such.. Notice the month and day being May and 23. May short for Mayfield, and 23 our draft position. Similarly, Mr. Kemp, our great past qb, died on May 2, 2009. May an abbreviation for Mayfield and 2 is where we should jump up in the draft to draft mayfield. Things could not be more obvious.

Yes, and remember, Mayfields middle name is Reagan, as Bakers’ father named his son after that president. Jack Kemp, the quarterback of the Buffalo Bills was a huge part of the Reagan Revolution. So, everything makes sense to me.

While that may be true, Shady said after we beat the Raiders, that the Bills were like a close family. This means Mayfield is our guy, as if you rearrange the letters in Mayfield, you get the words ‘de family.’. We need another family guy on the Bills that trusts the process.

Whichever scored lowest on the Wonderic, as all the qbs have pluses and minuses regarding talent.

Thanks for the in-depth analysis. Nobody ever said we were not drafting a QB. And nobody said we were definitely drafting a QB either. Lets stop making Fake news. When the draft is over, and we did not take a qb though, then let’s go hysterical. In the meantime, le s enjoy the process and drink some kool aid.

Stop with the fear, anger, sadness, concern and emotion everyone. Emotions cloud judgement. Trust the process. Here are my two cents on Brandon Beane, his philosophy, and his views on the draft. My opinion is based on the things he has said, in the past and more recently, his personality through my analysis, and from credible information I have seen, and from his recent experiences in his trades and free agent pick ups. First of all, Beane seems very smart, orderly, meticulous, patient if need be, and honest. This does not mean he cannot have secrets, or change his plan, but it just means that what you see and hear about him is what you get. He is not going to let emotion cloud his judgement, act in haste, or let any one opinion be the basis for his decisions. He will scrutinize things, take numerous things into consideration, and prioritize. He will not necessarily go with the masses, as he is a leader and confident in himself and the process, but although he trusts his own judgements, he will combine those and what he believes in with the judgements and opinions of those he trusts, to form a more well informed decision. Look how he handled the AJ McCarron situation. He was patient, trusted his philosophy and the process, did not want to over pay for others, or succumb to that hype, and he let the chips fall into line for him. The early bird does not always get the worm, but the turd as I have said before. He watched all the game tapes he said, and all his plays, made several calls to those who knew AJ closely, and he liked what he saw and heard. When the timing was right, he knew what to say to AJ, as he knew what AJ wanted to hear, and as he speaks the truth anyway, basically saying, ‘I can promise you only one thing, that you will compete to be the guy.’ He did not promise it would lead to long term, but just that he would get that chance to play, if he were the best, but suggesting he could not promise more. So, in my opinion, and as the highly respected executives in the nfl community would and have corroborated, Mr. Beane has all the qualities in a gm one would want, and if you combine also his self-motivated demeanor, and his desire to not rest off his laurels, but to keep driving for the team to be even better, regardless how good or great it is, and combine that with what he has said in the press and not said about his draft intentions, as he does not want to advertise everything, and as he does not know yet everything that will transpire, the below is what will likely happen in my opinion, and what has already been done. (1) I believe Beane because of his orderly, honest and prioritizing ways, and from what he has said, likely had indeed decided to put most of his priorities first in the free agent market, as he said, and as he knew that was the most urgent, then, to pick up players that could fill a role on our team, and as he knows we cannot draft enough good players to fill all those holes. He thus focused on positions of need first, through free agency and trades, and did not want to obsess about the draft until now, nor gobble up popular free agent quarterback guys at high cost, as he knew we would likely draft a QB relatively high, in round one, and did not want to commit long term to another player at that position. (2) In the meantime, Beane and staff had preliminary shorter meetings with the top quarterback draft prospects, among others, and got some additional information about them from looking at some game tapes and talking to some others. This basic information was needed to at least get a general idea of what could happen in the draft, regarding a possible move up or down, or with general preliminary expectation to keep the draft picks at 21 and 22. (3) Once Beane and company likely saw some preliminary intrigue and interest in one or more of the top rated quarterbacks, he decided to move up some, by getting rid of one or more players that he thought was no longer of prime need on the team, thinking he could do better. Moving up to a reasonable position would give a good chance that one of the quarterbacks or linebackers they were preliminarily moderate to high on, etc would be available at now pick 12, and it would free up some cap room space worries, too. (4) Now that free agency is almost done in their eyes, as Beane said, the attention can be to scrutinize those nfl draft prospects of moderate to high interest more, through in-depth personal interviews and workouts with them, and getting more detailed information from more sources about them, as players could be labeled as one way, but come across totally a different way. Sometimes one has to sift through the truth, and make their own judgements on character, but at other times accept that past red flags in the past or shown in other environments could mean more of the same in the future. So, it may come down to game tapes, and their own interview and tryout evaluations with that player, and decisions regarding their beliefs of him either changing, and maturing, or with them seeing enough positive in that behavior and with belief the talent reward offsets the risks, or being positive and seeing his strengths that would fit the Bills need for a QB, etc, as each team has their own specific needs and philosophy, regarded what a leader is, their culture of players, and how that player could best help their team with their strengths.. (5) “Right now” I think Beane is content with staying at 12 and 21, and keeping the two 2nd and 3rd rounders too, even if the Jets to #3 reports are true, as he wants as many high rated players on their board as possible, to fill up their remaining position needs, and he is not into any premature hype, nor will let emotion, fear or other emotions, others’ actions or events cloud much his process or judgement. (6) However, as Beane already likely knows what generally it could take to move up further, after general or preliminary talks with some of the teams who pick higher, and seeing that points formula to move up and what is expected or required for that, and after seeing others move in the draft higher, if after Beane and his staff do all their detailed and extensive homework on the draft players that they had enough interest in or coveted, and they feel that this player or two could possibly change drastically positively their team drastically in their eyes, for long duration, and they know that player will likely not be available at the 12 or 21 position, of course they may want to move up further. Otherwise, if they see no urgency to move higher, as the belief is none of the top 4 quarterbacks warrants that higher draft value or stands out much above the others to fit the Bills, or with belief a good one will be there at 12 or 21 anyway, they thus will stay put at their draft positions. (7) The Bills could see 6 quarterbacks as not much different, in terms of reward and risk, or with regards to value at where they would pick them, if you add Jackson and Randolph, so whoever of that bunch falls to them may be ok to them, if their analysis soon of each of the top four too shows that each has too much hype or risk, or not much guarantee. Only if a Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, and/ or Allen seemed like cannot misses to them, could perhaps they want to give up much draft capital. Getting AJ McCaron likely gives them some relief knowing any quarterback in the draft does not have to start right away. The Bills may think Rudolph or Jackson at 21 gives them better value than the others, with at linebacker at 12 making more sense, or if a higher rated linebacker or other position dropped to 12. Who knows, until Beane and company do the full evaluation of these players that intrigue them or that they preliminarily covet, until having longer meetings with them. One or more players may not even want to play in the cold or with Buffalo, or have a bad attitude talking to them.. We cannot assume anything. Beane picks up on small details, and one very important detail he uncovers could throw him off into another direction, or sway him from being on the fence towards a player, to instead being more positive in the direction of that player. I feel Beane though will likely look at everything, and not require perfection, as that does not exist to him. He knows persons can get better, and that learning from mistakes can occur. In the end, Beane and staff obviously will shore up as best as possible the remaining positions of need through the draft. He will prioritize and take the players that provide expected good to great value to the team, and hope that all his choices were good decisions, but knows that may not be possible, as things happen and a college star dies not equate always to an nfl star. By being very detailed, patient, analytical, hardworking, and not playing all his cards, yet being true to himself, his character and his philosophy, I feel he will make more hits than misses. His free agency moves and other things he says and has done shows Beane has an orderly plan, and prior trades shows he has courage to shake things up, so I think we are in good hands with Beane. I will support whatever choices he makes, as nobody knows how any of these players will turn out. They would be just guesses. I feel we have a guy with a vision, as does McDermott, and he can sift out the hype and emotion and used sound reasoning and good to great decisions based on much unbiased information, and use a methodical but savvy process to get us further, yet at the same time if he feels strongly about a player, after all his homework and analysis, and others’ input, I feel he would not be afraid to do what it reasonably takes to get him, regardless what anyone here thinks, though I think he would put at least some small value on our opinions, and recent moves by other teams, as his ego is not that huge to discount totally other opinions and happenings based on what I see and hear.. But, like Marv Levy said, if a coach starts listening to the fans, he might as well sit with them. Sometimes, leading is thinking outside the box or going against the grain, or being patient.

Hopefully the email did not say, “To collect your tickets give a copy of your license and your s.s card, and wire $5000 to our Russian affiliate as a deposit, to prove you are the season ticket holder we have on file.”

So, we got some use out of this thread after all. So, the lesson is, you can always make something out of nothing.

Maybe we should draft Mike White, as we have traverious White.

I remember the days when Irv Weinstein would use alliteration and say things such as: Buffalo’s bathing Beauties bare breast’s on Buffalo beach, or similar.. So, how about Binghamton Beast berates Badthingsman while Mr. McDermott and McCarron meets Monday with mafia.

The truth is somewhere in the middle. He likely had several teammates and coaches who raised their eyebrows at him, or were neutral to him, and the rest loved him and thought he was the greatest thing on earth. . You cannot please everybody, especially if one is very confident and honest, and who wants the best from his teammmates. The only way to please everybody is to have the talent of Rosen and the personality of Wally or Ward Cleaver.

I am still awaiting the blockbuster, unless it was the signing of MCDermotts twin, Trent Murphy. That was signicamt news at least.

This is the Bills plan. Foles for 1-2 years. Mason Rudolph. Roquan 1st pick.

You said he was twitchy. Does he adhd like marcel Darius?

Trent Edwards has been a starter too. Let’s go find him. His arm should be really rested and live. How about Todd Collins. He played for forever like Fitz too. No thanks to all. I rather play a rookie or Peterman..

I’m all in on Allen. Seriously. Let’s go for it. He has no oversized ego. He does not get into trouble. He seems like a leader. He is smart. He is not injury prone. He has the strength to slice footballs through the howling winds. He does not look like a surfer, bird or leprechaun. He will not run at the first sight of panic. His accuracy will improve as his footwork and supporting cast improves. At least he is not afraid to take risks, and he is not the game manager type, like Tyrod, Edwards, free agent qbs, etc... Enough of that horse bleep.. That stuff is for losers.

What about making donations to any charity of Beane to get the number 2 to 3 pick?

Buffalo may not need to go further than pick #5, if they are not sold on any of the four qbs as being head and shoulde above the others. The worst case scenario in this instance would likely be Barkley at rb gets picked among the top 5, leaving three qbs before that 5th pick. Beane then has an easier qb choice to make, and can be blamed less if that quarterback fails.. However, if Beane definitely wants a certain qb, likely moving up at least to 2nd spot would be preferred, unless the GMs of Cleveland, Giants and Colts tell us of any of their specific quarterback plans. Unlikely. I think pick #3 would very likely give Buffalo one of their top rated 2 qbs prospects..

Great, we all agree it does not make sense, as that was the purpose of me writing it, , as so does it stink when I see all the qb threads overanalyzing the top 5 qbs. Enough is enough. They all could stink or be great, or average, or in between. Nobody has the answer. So, Mr. Beane, pick one and I will be behind you..

Most of us here have an opinion on which quarterback to draft, in terms of which is most likely to succeed in the Bills,, but as each of the top quarterback prospects have positives and negatives, in my opinion none clearly outshines the others, as I could make a case for all, in terms of being the best or worst. This overanalyzing of each is getting me nowhere, as I change my opinion more than a pathological liar changes their stories. So, this thread is for those who cannot make up their mind which quarterback to take, or for those who wants a specific quarterback for some other dumb reason, like mine below, which involves unscrambling the letters of their last name. I choose Mayfield, as he is a part of “de family.” I do not want a Norse (Rosen) on my team, nor someone who thinks he has “d’ no lard’ on his body (Darnold). And certainly I do want someone who thinks they are Jack Lelane ‘’l lean” (Allen). Maybe others here have other dumb reasons for picking their qb for the Bills, as they are clueless too what qb will be the best of the bunch..

Some reasons for this: We have hope or optimism for the upcoming season, from having went to the playoffs last year despite a mediocre at best qb, and from having 6 draft picks in the first 3 rounds.. We finally May get a top 5 pick, and have our chance to draft one of the top 2 or 3 qbs, which are being drooled over by the media, or we can load up on position of need players in the draft, from all our early draft choices. We see Bean as seeming competent and having a vision, in getting rid of potential problem players or inconsistency from players at top positions, instead of staying pat and playing things always safe, or fearing upsetting the masses. We see McDermott as a likeable person too who wants to build an exciting and positive culture his way, that may not make everyone happy, with the decisions he makes, but with purpose to benefit all. Many players from other teams no longer avoid coming here, but seem to want to be a part of the Bills because of the way they have been treated. The unknown breeds excitement too. Are we going to take the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th rated qb, and who will that choice be and how will that turn out, or will we fool everyone and take our chance with Foles, Keenum, Bradford, etc, and build our team other ways first. The Patriots soon could be in decline, too, once boy wonder turns arthritic, fragile, tired, weaker, slower to process, etc So, with hope, optimism, from McBean and lots of picks and from the newness soon at the qb position,, and from our past excitement at finally being in the playoffs, only Henry Kissinger, Al Gore or Ben Stein would not get some fun or excitement this year. You would not be hear at Two Bills drive otherwise.

If I had to pick one, it would be Rosen, too. His stock is dropping from everything I hear, as teams are being scared by the things you said, from what I have been reading. So, he could be the next Ryan Branch, if he has a brittle personality AND physique (injuries.). Or he could be the next Aaron Rogers. Who knows. The others do not worry me as much, despite their flaws too.