No QB - No Bueno

Ostensibly we root for the Bills due to our allegiance to the area (for those born to the environs or descended from those born to the environs), or maybe as a result of fantastic runs of special teams from the early nineties or the mid-60's. I know there are those who just come to root for a team because of some inexplicable allure or impulse. For you I ask: What would be the point rooting for the Bills if they were to land in LA, detached from all their history and regional significance? If LA were to land an existing franchise other than the Bills, or gets an expansion team, does that become the primary team you root for and so jettison your support of the Bills?

I'll defer to your expertise on that suggestion.

Billy is strapped for cash. He tithes everything to L Ron.

The Bills had an undersized (albeit intelligent) safety whose obvious limitations were covered to some degree by exceptional athletes and genuine play-makers. His name was Mark Kelso. Go back and watch some early 90s games when you couldn't even see him on the TV because he was lining up 30 yards down-field. The Bills played 11 on 10 for 5 years. His physical limitations always trumped his contributions (and he was above average in football smarts). I admire Leonards determination and his elusive off-speed wiggle on returns, but strictly speaking he is a pedestrian gamer .

Move out. Problem solved. I roomed with 5 guys in an old thin walled house while attending a Big Ten university. One was a Japanese exchange student who was never home. One was a bud. One was an alcoholic engineering student who worked in a cowboy themed bar and would bring home a new skanky Reba McEntire nightly for our listening pleasure. Then there was Chuck, who's room shared a common wall with mine. Chuck delivered pizza til 1am, then would bone high school ass while smoking weed and getting gangsta with Doggystyle till 4am. Pretty tough when you have 8am labs. You couldn't help being immersed in everyone's business and it was impossible to find peace for study, relaxation between work and school, or entertaining tail. The overall vibe was reduced by the fact the Slum Lord we rented from failed to tell us that there was no heat in the place so that the average winter temp inside topped out at 43 degrees (average January high in the city was 0). I moved out. First, I called the city and found that all dwellings needed to have heating capable of raising the internal temperature to at least 68 in the winter. Failure to comply had major consequences for a landlord. I told the Slum Lord that I was going to report her (didnt but the threat shut down any attempts to keep me on the hook for the lease), and told my roommates see-ya. My bud and the Japanese guy followed me to a cheaper but nicer Brownstone apartment with heat. Japanese guy was never was around and still payed 1/3 of the rent. Morale increased. Better study conditions attained. Improved access to downtown venues and tail. Moral: Action, not words.

Bigger, faster, stronger doesn't always equate with better games. Better maybe than the monotony of game between cellar dwelling teams in the 60's. While training advances have elevated the baseline speed of the game compared to 20 or 30 years ago, I doubt the actual skill level has risen at the same rate. We've all seen it. A league full of work-out warriors who often lack the skill commensurate with their bulging frames. Sure it can be fun to see straight-line high speed collisions, but it does little to advance the game. Then there is the beef. Does anyone want to argue that stocking teams with linemen who far exceed clinical obesity standards makes for a better game? The development of a lineman's technical skill has taken a back seat to pure elephantine bulk. I wonder if the more recent generation of youth coaches even bother teaching line technique. Just have your fat guy lean on the smaller guy. Or you can draft or sign a few power forwards that have no football experience and hope you can cram 10 years of muscle memory into a year or two. I'm not a nostalgic guy, but I do pine for the age of athletic and mobile lines. Check out clips on youtube of DeLamellure and McKenzie pulling on OJ's sweeps. A thing of beauty even if those two would barely be linebackers today.

For vet minimum maybe.

I'd take him in a heartbeat provided you work out a long term deal first. He claims to have been a big Raider fan, but I don't think he was too eager to move his family out west. He can play both positions on the line and is a legit sized defender and probably has 5 years minimum left. Think he'd relish the chance to play the Pats twice a year?

Has the post starter ever seen Walter play?

This thread compelled me to click the link to follow the TO rumors - I am truly sorry I did.

Even now Spikes is heads above anything the Bills have.

There's no way I could have thought of that. I didn't even know the 'grundle' was slang for perineum. Brave new world.

Vick has certainly embraced this twitter medium to drop gems like this: "Putting a bidet in my bathroom. Gotta love the feeling of cold water hitting the grundle of your ass after a long session of shittin"

Yeah I do. Fred Dean had uber horse-power and incredible speed. I would be pleased if Maybin becomes a 2nd rate Charles Haley.

Ryan's bark is loud but his bite isn't vicious. Have another donut porky.

I think anyone is expendable on this team and would encourage a fire sale to pick up top picks and/or large bodies on the upswing. I suggested that Evans be another candidate for trade for a high round pick. At this juncture, the Bills are going nowhere, so I'm in favor of loading up on picks or infrastructure (read: linemen) for the future. The assets the Bills have are just getting older and are wasting away in the weeds while sucking up a lot of money. I have no confidence in the current management to pick or utilize players properly even with resources at their disposal.

Too little too late. Chump opted to be a backup rather than a starter. That's the guy you're looking for?

Never liked 'Fast Car' either.

A better medium for your round-table would be your friends porch; There, the conversation would evaporate anonymously into the air, making all of us the better for it.

Fecal matter is no joke.

I realize its obvious to state the Raiders would be interested, but I bet Alice would drool over the prospect of acquiring Lee (he drools on Jim Otto regularly in the box). I'm sure most of the league laughs at how underutilized Lee is. I don't buy that Lee is a poor route runner, I'm more convinced the Bills have no clue how to free him to get him the ball, and no one to deliver it to him. A first may be a reach, but even a 2 or a big body would be better than leaving him to waste every Sunday.

This has crossed my mind as well. I see no use for TO or Lee Evans in this offense. I would trade TO for third in a heartbeat. And while improbable, I'd trade Evans for a first or a stud O or D lineman. This team is stuck in the mud. If you have key moving parts that never get greased, you might as well shore up the lines with beef. The team is bankrupt for playcallers, so time to grind it out. Their games can't get much more boring anyway.

How does a team with 5 picks and 3 return TDs lose a game? Simple. It's in the DNA.

Holmgren is a sf bay area guy and having a home built there. Doubt he's interested in coming to the arctic at this point of his career.

I know a couple retired cops who do background checks on applicants for the fire and police departments. The first thing they do is check these moron's facebook and myspace pages. You won't believe how many qualified applicants are bounced for this kind of shiite. There seems to be a disconnect between common sense and what is 'expressed' in public. I doubt she knows what being anti-semitic is. Hell I doubt if she even knows what a Nazi is. Do people under 25 know that WWII even happened? I am glad that she's demonstrably pro-penis.