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They don't need to trade him either.. He has significant value to the organization, and his contract isn't killer. He and Wentz combined make less than 1/2 of the starting QBs in the league.

Tyrod will be a good fit for Cleveland. He provides stability at the position and doesn't turn the ball over, by all accounts he's a good clubhouse guy, and his elusiveness can help mask line issues. His limitations would prevent us to get to the next level... but for a team that has won only one game in the last last two seasons, he makes perfect sense as a bridge while they develop a rookie this year.

I just renewed and I’m further away than Utica.

What did we give up to move up? To move from up over 10 spots in the first, we didn't give up either 2nd?

If we're imagining fairytale scenarios... why not trade both 1sts and Tyrod Taylor for Cleveland's #4. Cleveland can take Barkely #1, get a QB upgrade and have picks 21 and 22, while we get chance at a franchise QB.

In Bill's defense - he did have Kelly Holcomb as a backup to Manning at the time. If only Kelly would have gotten a chance to start like Brady did.... oh wait.

If the Jets did $60 million in year one - does that screw over the rest of the league in regards to the franchise tag for a QB next season?

There's a difference between Jim Kelly and Josh Rosen for those that seem to equate the two after Rosen shunned going to Cleveland. Jim had a passion for the game and the talent. The area and the fans can win him over eventually, but he doesn't have the passion and desire to be the very best there are way too many opportunities for long term failure.

I'd argue that the insurance of a starting caliber QB until Wentz returns is greater than the difference between a 2018 vs 2019 draft pick for a team that is already championship caliber.... especially when Wentz and Foles are on cheap contracts next year, making less combined than many starting QBs in the league.

The Eagels should hold Foles until the trade deadline next year after someone else has lost their starter. He'll be as valuable then and they'll have a better grasp on Wentz recovery. They're already championship caliber, and an extra late second or early 3rd round pick isn't going to make them better in a "win now mode" nearly as much as an established backup with a starting QB coming off injury.

Mine in 102 went up $20/seat (just over 3%).

That's the beauty of the deep pass - and other teams do it too. There's little to lose doing that late in a half. Best case: reception of PI. Worst case it's a 50 yard punt. I'm sure the plan was to send Cooks along the sideline and throw the ball inside so he'd have to go through the defender to get it. If the defender is staying stride for stride with Cooks, and doesnt get a clear read on the ball, he's trapped.

In NE's 2 losses, Gronk was held to an average of 58 yards and 0 TDs (meeting my defensive requirement). In his other 12 games he average 80 yards and 0.66 TDS. (not meeting my defensive requirement). I'm not sure what you're trying to debate. I'm not asking for Gronk to have more exposure to impress me with fantasy stats. I'm asking our defense to come up with a way to slow him down when they "stop ignoring him".

I'm not sure what this means... If the Patriots need to go to Gronk, it would be nice to have a method to limit his effectiveness. I'll also make sure to put together a log of my football viewing hours so that I may have the ability to sit at message board table with someone so knowledgeable.

I think a dominate line on both sides, and an NFL "average" QB wins the division. Andrew Luck has proven that a franchise QB without a line isn't enough to contend. Also someone to hold Gronkowski to a mere 75 yards and 0.5 TDs per game vs. us would be nice.

My estimates based off nothing more than asking - if they played 10 times, how many times would a team win or lose as needed. Bills are 3 point favorites - chance of winning estimate 60% Tennessee are 6 point favorites vs Jags - chance of Tenn loss estimate 40% Chargers are 7.5 point favorites - chance of Chargers loss estimate 30% Ravens are 10 point favorites - chance of Ravens loss estimate 20% Chance of Bills win and Ravens loss = .60 x .20 = 12% Chance of Bills win and Chargers loss and Titans loss = 0.60 x .30 x .40 = 7.2% That adds up to 19.2%, so my gut says their advanced analytics are reasonable.

More scenarios for us to get in had they won, but still not mathematically out.

March down and pound it down their throats

Weekly routine: Monday - this team sucks, we should be 4-12 Tuesday - this team sucks, but we're close to being something Wednesday - If things go right, we could steal this one Thursday - realistically, we have a shot Friday - I have a good feeling about this week Saturday - Who needs a LT, FB, (insert whoever is on the injury report) We play just as well without them. Sunday morning - We are going to win Sunday Halftime - I knew we'd win this Sunday 4th quarter - What the F@#$ are we doing? I hate this team.

Steve Deberg, Steve Bono, Elvis Grbac, Bob Gagliano..... oh and Joe Montana

Lets not forget about Kelse in his prime and Hill who are among the top 10 in the AFC for yards after catch. When 30 year old Alex Smith had the likes of a rookie Kelse, Dwayne Bowe, Albert Wilson, Jason Avant, Jamal Charles etc... his state line was: 3265 Yrs, 65.3%, 18 TDs, 6 INT, 93.4 QBR over 16 games For Comparison - 28 year old Tyrod with this group of receivers and McCoy... 2961 Yards, 62.8%, 16.64TDs, 5 INTs, 89.1 QBR equalized over 16 games. 30 year old Smith appears marginally better than 28 year old Tyrod with similar offensive weapons - neither appears capable of competing with the Patriots in the AFC east.

at this point Tyrod is a more athletic version of Smith for similar money. I'd keep Tyrod if that's the direction we're going.

Looking at the history of the 3rd and 4th QBs taken in a draft, I don't see enough success to warrant trading up (especially 2 first round picks) for the risk involved. (I don't think we're in a position to get the #1 or #2 QB based upon the needs of Cleveland and the Giants.) If our top 2 QBs are gone, you either stay put and fill in the many holes we have, keep one and trade back for next season. Deshaun Watson DeShone Kizer Paxton Lynch Christian Hackenberg Garret Grayson Sean Mannion Teddy Bridgewater Derek Carr Mike Glennon Matt Barkley Ryan Tannehill Brandon Weeden Blain Gabbert Christian Ponder Jimmy Causen Colt McCoy Josh Freeman Pat White Brian Brohm Chad Henne

My group gets together for all of the games that we don’t attend live. We still eat, drink, and experience all the benefits of a tailgate but from the comfort of our own hometown. Once you factor in fuel, parking, hotels etc. i could easily buy a new 70 inch LED..... and my seats are relatively Inexpensive compared to most of the stadium.

This year's season ticket profit/loss for me. Two seats lower bowl end zone $550/piece+/-: Jets attended w/ friend who paid $60. Denver attended w/ daughter Tampa Bay - sold both seats for $120 combined Oakland - sold both for $150 combined New Orleans - sold both for $102.50 New England - attended with friend who paid $50 Indy - Maybe sell for $10 combined... maybe? Miami - Maybe sell for $20 combined... maybe? I'm about 4 hours away, and can't make the Miami game due to holiday scheduling. Indy, I'm a toss up to come use. Without family day this year for pre-season, we didn't not go to a preseason game, and there is 0 market for those tickets. Up to this point: Total paid out: $1,100 Total Collected from secondary market sales or sales to friends: $460 - possibly Total Tickets Used by Me and Family: 4 Average true cost per ticket used by me and my family: $160.00 This pattern is certainly representative of the last 10+ years. It makes me seriously question if I should give them up and just buy individual games instead. At some point the shiny badge of honor of having season tickets wears off. If they ever went to a PSL, I'd definitely be done.