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19 against Tennessee. 38 against Seattle. It's in Pro Football Reference, under Game Logs. Yes, both of these.
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So why was Amari Cooper traded twice in his prime?
Thurman#1 replied to PoundingDog's topic in The Stadium Wall
Hunh? Thanks for your kindness about the rest, but I absolutely addressed that trade from Dallas to Cleveland in the post. You might disagree, but at least I did address it. Here's what I said: You're right that it's not the same reason as the other two, but Dallas had very good reason to let him go. Like your name, by the way. Have a good day, and see you on the boards. -
We let him go in August. They signed him from the Saint Louis Battlehawks, says google.
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So why was Amari Cooper traded twice in his prime?
Thurman#1 replied to PoundingDog's topic in The Stadium Wall
Um, no, that's not his assumption at all. You're drastically mis-stating what he appears to have assumed. What you did there is all on you, reflective instead of your apparent misunderstanding of the very good reasons that produced these moves. Why did the Raiders let him go? The same reasons losing teams looking to the future trade good players for draft picks every single year when the present is awful and they want to look to the future. It's anything but "no reason." They dealt away Khalil Mack at nearly the same time. Was that also because he sucked? LaCanfora reported on the Sunday morning [just before the Cooper trade] that everything was for sale in Oakland.) The idea that there was no reason is just stupid. Gruden leaked damaging, untruths about Amari to the media, potentially harming his value right before he traded him…"Also zero evidence it was Gruden, but while we’re taking leaps let’s do it lol", you say? OK, let’s take leaps. Why would Gruden put something in an email that might leak that was against his own self-interest? Golly, great question. It isn’t as if Gruden is a guy with a history of leaked emails in which he said stupid, rude things that would be against his own self-interest. That would never happen. Gruden is famous for his reticence, his cool head, and for never going against his own interest in emailed communi … oh, wait. And did it go against his own interests? Gruden got a first for Cooper, just what he asked for. "Dallas traded for Amari for a first, paid him, then dumped him for a fifth a few years later. For no reason," you say? Good Lord, no reason? You may be the first person in the history of the world to say that saving $16M is "no reason." Saying there was no reason is disingenuous. Dallas was in salary cap trouble and they saved $16M by trading him. I myself would not call $16M “no reason” in any possible way. They had CeeDee Lamb as their number one and Gallup as a guy who looked like he was developing into a good #2 and was younger and cheaper and had TD weaons as well. “No reason”? Please. "Cleveland traded for Amari, paid him, then dumped him for a third a few years later. For no reason," you say? Again, “no reason” is either willful misunderstanding or flat-out ignoring the facts. This kind of trade happens multiple times a year. Teams that are greatly underachieving their own expectations gain a bit of a more realistic POV and start looking to the future by dumping salary, trading away guys who would require big contracts, especially older guys requiring big contracts, and start collecting draft picks. It's the opposite of “no reason,” it’s a wildly obvious reason. !And none of this means anything. lol," you say? Again, that's just you pretending that there was "no reason" for these outcomes when the reasons were obvious. It means plenty. It means that lots of guys get traded for lots of reasons. Some of them go on to help their new teams a ton.) The fact is plenty of really good players have been traded multiple times. Some turned out to have problems. Diggs for one. Plenty also turned out to be really good pickups for nearly every team they played for. Look at Anquan Boldin, for one. Ahmad Rashad. James Lofton. Joey Galloway. Keyshawn Johnson. Randy Moss (though he clearly did screw Oakland, but benefitted the Pats a ton). Wes Welker. Brandon Marshall, of course. There are tons of others. Trades happen. -
So why was Amari Cooper traded twice in his prime?
Thurman#1 replied to PoundingDog's topic in The Stadium Wall
Why did 2 teams trade Cooper in his prime? Because both teams were headed for horrendous years (the Raiders went 4-12 that year and the Browns look like they're in that neighborhood) and both wanted to dump salary and pick up draft picks as part of a look towards the future. That was the primary reason he was traded in-season in both cases. -
No, I'm really not. Unless you're saying that accidents never cause injury. Which would be spectacularly dumb. But that's absolutely several lovely straw men about bans and bubbles and taking away freedoms.
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You're right. Only people injured at the most dangerous possible jobs deserve our concern. A crossing guard who gets mowed down? Who cares!! After all, the injury stats at his job are low. Why should we care? A teacher who loses a leg? Nobody cares, and why should they? The fact that it's injury and not death that is so common in football definitely means it's not worth talking about or being concerned about. And yet players are ruled out every week.
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5 Cities Tried to Steal The Bills From WNY
Thurman#1 replied to ExiledInIllinois's topic in The Stadium Wall
Not at all. Not a lot of detail, but there's new content. -
If Brian Daboll gets fired, would you take him as OC?
Thurman#1 replied to Doc's topic in The Stadium Wall
Playoff wins, and wins generally ... are NOT QB stats. Wins are TEAM stats. The actual name of the stat that is often shortened to "QB Record" or "QBrec" is really called "TEAM Record in Games Started by this QB (Regular Season)". Herbert and probably Lawrence are worth huge contracts. On good teams they're likely to be capable of playing QB at a level that would make the teams capable of winning a championship. Maybe even a hypothetical Tua without concussion problems, although I'm not convinced of that yet. Jones may get there at some point, but it's looking less likely as time passes. -
If Brian Daboll gets fired, would you take him as OC?
Thurman#1 replied to Doc's topic in The Stadium Wall
We've got an OC. If ours leaves at some point, yeah, bring Daboll on. -
Keon Coleman 5th In Rookie Receiving Yards
Thurman#1 replied to iwishitwerecolder's topic in The Stadium Wall
For the eighth guy chosen? Absolutely yes. Particularly in a year when three WRs were chosen in the top nine picks. Seriously, yeah, it absolutely is. Still early, that's a fair caveat. But yeah, it's an accomplishment. -
Keeping it in perspective, Bills win percentage
Thurman#1 replied to zow2's topic in The Stadium Wall
We beat the Cardinals. The Cardinals beat the Rams and the Niners. We beat the Jaguars. They beat the Colts. Even bad teams beat good teams sometimes. You are what your record says you are. Most of the power rankings this week have us 5th to 7th. Nobody is ignoring us. -
What exactly is the real story with Mike Edwards?
Thurman#1 replied to Jukester's topic in The Stadium Wall
What you're using is logic based on far too few known facts. Which is not especially effective We don't see practices. They do. "To me logically," you say, "a healthy Edwards plays ahead of Hamlin." That's not logic. It's presupposition. We'd need a ton more info to know how true that is. BuffaloBillyG is most likely on target. He probably isn't beating out Hamlin. It's not about STs. He has 13 STs snaps. -
Better than Milano? No, certainly not. Better than Milano did as a second-year-man? Hmm, maybe. In that neighborhood, anyway. He's drastically improved this year. Edmunds was a lot more effective in pass defense. If you looked at opponent pass distribution charts, teams threw very very little over the middle against Edmunds. But again, Williams is young and still developing.
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Yeah, we should re-sign him. Not at any value, though. He's not a top ten guy. And $15 - $20M just isn't that much anymore. It's 5.8% to 7.8% of this year's cap. 92 players make an AAV of $20M. And if I counted right, 149 make more than $15M. Rousseau will get that money, maybe even low $20s, and he'll deserve it. There's a number at which he'd cost too much, but IMO he likes it in Buffalo and won't try to bleed every single drop out of this contract. This also has some merit.
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The future is not now. It's the future. That's why the two words are different. And it's especially true this year for the Bills with the massive dead cap hit and loss of guys like Diggs, Davis, Mitch Morse, Poyer, Hyde and Leonard Floyd. Bishop missed most of camp. That set him back, maybe a great deal. Mustapha, the 49ers rookie safety, has played 46% of snaps and started two of six games. Bishop has played 39%. And Mustapha didn't miss a lot of time in training camp.
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Von Miller outlook implications from the Cooper trade
Thurman#1 replied to Chaos's topic in The Stadium Wall
IMO the Bills have three really tough games and the Jets have two, including us. And we've got a two-game lead and the tie-break. I don't think the division will be any tighter than that looks. -
This. Could they be better? Sure. But particularly for a group that lost Milano, Bernard, Taron Johnson and safeties on a team without experienced solid safety depth, the D has been really good. Oliver's been very good, so has Groot. Von is on pace for about 10 this year so far. Solomon looks like a really nice value so far. Do I wish we had a top ten sacker? Yeah, but it's hard to get those guys without top ten picks, particularly when you're paying an elite QB on a second contract.
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James Cook Accused Of Running Out On Nightclub tab 🥃
Thurman#1 replied to GoBills!'s topic in The Stadium Wall
"Venu says Cook was 'very polite and respectful' while remediating the situation." -
Why isn't Brady using more Play action?
Thurman#1 replied to Mikie2times's topic in The Stadium Wall
Our running game's alright. Not great, but solid. If anything teams are edging closer to the line, not farther away. They'll keep doing it too, until we show signs of beating them deep a few times. -
Tyler Lockett could fix this offense
Thurman#1 replied to Over 29 years of fanhood's topic in The Stadium Wall
This ("I just have a hunch that whomever they nab to help out is going to fall far short of expectations....") is my guess too. I think in particular Cooper has a bit of a chance to work out but I can't see them giving away a day two pick for a guy for one year, which would likely be what Adams would be here. Best guess is, IMO, they bring in somebody, but it's not one of the two or three big names that people are hoping for. -
Why isn't Brady using more Play action?
Thurman#1 replied to Mikie2times's topic in The Stadium Wall
Josh doesn't like taking the ball behind center. And that's how you make great play action. When you get the ball behind center and go back and fake a handoff you are not looking downfield. You don't get to look downfield for the first second and a half. Josh doesn't like that. He likes to have time to see what's going on. Play action from shotgun isn't as effective because the D knows they have much more time to respond to the run when the RB gets the ball more or less flat-footed instead of with a full head of steam. -
Allen isn't the "singular" reason we're relevant. Like every team in history that was good, there are a lot of reasons for it. But yeah, he's one of the best QBs in the league and having an elite QB means you've got a chance to be competitive every season. Agreed with the rest of your post. Some on here do find any Josh criticism to be blasphemous in some strange way.