Thurman#1

Well, of course it's a pointless exercise because the coaches do what they want. Same with fans complaining about absolutely anything teams do. And yet people do complain and tell their opinions here. Some might say that's the whole point of being here. And I don't see how anyone could say conclusively that a QB in the pocket is in a more vulnerable situation than a QB running, excepting of course QBs who slide. QBs running into contact as Josh often does are often facing collisions that are more opposing in direction.

That couldn't be because they pass way more than they run, could it? I mean Allen has thrown 2030 passes in his career and 432 rushes. Of course most injuries take place there. It's where they spend the great majority of their time. People keep saying that as if it was a good argument for restricting the amount of runs. It's not. Also, it's a mis-statement of what the studies have actually shown. The question shouldn't be where more people are injured. It should be do people get injured at a higher percentage when they pass than when they run. And none of the studies has said that. It should further be does running a lot tend to lead to fewer healthy career years. That also has not been demonstrated, either way.

Less a rescue than a guy committing himself to be better. But I'd read it yesterday and totally agree that it was an interesting and revealing article.

Hell, yeah. Coaching is very important, but not as important as having a great roster and in particular a great QB. Being a crappy coach is capable of torpedoing even a great lineup, though. And while Belichick may not necessarily be the best of all time, he's one of a small group with a possible claim to that title.

Not so. Crowder played about 1/4 of his snaps outside with the Jets. No reason to think Crowder won't play some outside WR. My guess is that if David indeed doesn't play - he might play - we'll see a whole bunch of folks playing outside, varying for different situations and personnel looks. My guess is we see Crowder, McKenzie and Kumerow at different times, with Shakir figuring in more and more as the season progresses. We'll see. But there's no reason to think they won't play Crowder outside.

"... desire to win at no cost ..."?

The point is that both Cam and Big Ben were almost certainly worn down and physically effected by the cumulative effect of the pummelling they took. Cam much more so, but both of them really. We can't pretend that it was only hits that cause immediate serious injury that matter. It is very much not. Oh, and while Ben was never a smooth quick runner, he was much more mobile at the beginning of his career than the end.

The 1st week is always crazy, but this one was exceptional. 60.5% of the entries in my pool are out. My pool has a post first week buyback that I planned to use. I picked the worst team I could find, so I'd have a better team left in the later weeks. I picked the Texans. And in the 3rd quarter it looked like they were going to win, so I wouldn't have to pay but had still picked a crap team. Then the damn Colts forced a tie. Shoot! Not the worst result, but I do have to pay to re-enter.

He said he looked like, not he is like. From what I can see with a quick look at the play-by-play, in the Bills first seven drives, he'd run once. He did look like Brady there. You're certainly right that overall Brady's not a great comparison because of Allen's running ability. But in that part of that game I was thinking much the same thing. Short, surgical passes, and he was killing them.

Collinsworth is an excellent announcer. Of course he gushed over that performance. Announcers are supposed to be even-handed. That's what he's done about the Bills and Allen. Over the past two years he's been very positive, throwing in a question or two for balance. This week was such a great performance there really wasn't a need for any balance. It was simply terrific. I didn't see him eating any crow, nor had he done anything to have to. Doesn't mean you have to like him, or agree with his opinions, but he's an excellent announcer and all of his emmy awards speak to that.

Kelce had 6 games last year of 34 yards or less. The Chiefs won 4 of the 5 games. He also had four games over 100 yards. Not "every week." Four games. The Chiefs lost two of those four games. So no, it's not the key to stopping them. It sure wouldn't hurt, but it's just not that simple.

Yup. But he's not taking advantage of that entitlement. You are.

Best? On a team that has Ed Oliver? Yeah, um, no. Discussion over. But, "welcome back,"? Absolutely.

My Survivor pool allows you to buy in again with a loss the first two weeks. This year I decided I'd take advantage of that the first two weeks, picking terrible teams and paying my way back in so I'll have better options later in the season. I have six entries and went with Houston in all six. That'll save me $60 this week, apparently. I'm a genius.

Dude, please.

I see it. You listen to the whole thing and he's not being the least bit negative about Allen. But yeah, expressed himself very badly.

This makes the most sense about what happened. Marcus generally is pretty on-target. There does seem to be the constant need for an argument, in all media and on all subjects.

Interesting stuff, Bill, thanks. I'll start looking for that in terms of Kumerow being in for run plays vs. pass plays. And I didn't see Sweeney outside. I'll try to start looking for that too.

They're comfortable with McKenzie and Crowder playing outside as well if the situation calls for it. My guess is that as the year goes on, Shakir will be more and more active. But we'll see. Crowder played about a quarter of his Jets snaps outside. McKenzie has also been outside periodically, though not as often as Crowder. You may see them as "almost solely slot guys." It appears (so far) that the Bills differ with you on that. We'll see how that changes or continues as things go on, but that's how the Bills appear to be thinking right now.

That will happen. It does for every player every season. I can't imagine it would be much of a problem. If there's anything Miller has shown over the years it's that once he's signed by a team, he's not a selfish guy. He's all about the team (once he's got a contract).

About this is what I'd like. My guess is they'll be maybe just a bit higher but not running at what he did with the Rams last year. His salary is guaranteed for three years. They don't want to burn him out early. If possible they'd love to see him here for five years.

Yes. How many of his career problems were caused by those two specific injuries? And how much by drastic wear and tear and being psychologically broken down? You don't know. Nobody does. But what you do know is that he was a running QB whose career appears to have been drastically abbreviated. And Cam was a big strong man who liked to run and didn't mind being hit hard. Sound familiar?

But there's no way to know whether part of Griffin's injury might have been caused by restriction of motion from previous hits or whatever. Or that his many hits in the future years might have hurt his ability to recover from that injury. He was a running QB whose career was drastically cut short. Would it have been cut short if he hadn't been a running QB? That's arguable, but in fact, he was a running QB whose career was cut short. Cunningham? The last half of his career he was a shell of himself. I give you that Vick's torched career wasn't caused by injury but by moral turpitude but again the last half of his career he wasn't the same. Had that one great year when I thought he might, but he just wasn't good after 2010 as he'd been. Steve Young went 15 seasons but his first seven he played very little. A great player and a guy who didn't lose many games to injury or wear, but it's not like he had 15 years of wear and tear on him. He didn't. Kordell Stewart? 9 seasons? Please. That's how long he was in the league but not how long he played. Elway is a pretty good example. He's also a guy who could run but didn't do it a lot unless he had to. Lasted a long time, though. McNair ran a lot less and was a lot less athletic late, but he's also a good example of a running QB who played well for a long time. But there aren't a ton of them. Although I'd also thrown in Mr. Fran Tarkenton.

It's a breakdown whose assumptions and methods make it kind of questionable. She treats games missed as her unit of study, but by her assumptions, guys like Cam Newton and Robert Griffin III didn't miss all that many games. She didn't look at what caused injuries. And she didn't look (nor could you, really, but it's the absolute main point) of how shortened the careers of guys like Griffin III and Cam Newton have been. That's two guys out of a group of 12 QBs with the highest run percentages.

Yeah, weird like the fact that his Wyoming clavicle break came on a scramble, that his 2018 AC joint injury came on a pass rush and his 2019 concussion came on a run. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jabxf8lGjfo That's two of his three major injuries coming on runs when he has far fewer runs than he does passes.