Thurman#1

Yup. You didn't win the Super Bowl so you're not elite is simply a dumb argument. Exactly.

Thanks for the chuckle. A wonderful example of just not getting it.

That Davis hasn't been wildly productive, fair enough. That he hasn't seized his opportunities? Not really. He got less opportunities. Much fewer opportunities last year than he himself had the year before (73% of snaps in 2020, which fell to 51%). And many fewer last year than Watkins has had for most of his career. Davis' yards per snap last year as compared to Watkins'? In Sammy's eight years in the league, he's only had three years where he managed more yards per snap than Davis got last year. None of those three years happened more recently than 2018. Compared to Watkins' career yards per target, Davis has been better in both 2020 and 2021. There's every reason to believe Davis'll see a ton more snaps this year than he has, and likely a lot more targets as well. You seem to think you're saying something interesting when you point out that he needs to be more productive this year. You're not. He's a guy going from his second to his third year expecting a larger role. Pretty much everyone at that juncture needs to be more productive. To your whole thesis here, the best answer would appear to be, "Duh, everyone already knows this." Of course he's still got a lot to prove. Same with most players that young picked where he was.

I think you're hearing more than he's saying. He's just talking about how as he looks back he feels he didn't know much, and that Davis does. And while some of that can be said to be down to the team, a ton of it is down to the player and how well he listens and takes it in. How well he goes beyond what's asked. How early in the workout he thinks he's done enough and can start to dog it a bit. How much of a dog he is. Fair enough that Sammy didn't really know much about how to get it done. Bobby Trees did on the same team.

Palmer has been saying this for a couple of years now. I think he's right.

Way. Not that I'm saying it will happen, but it's far within the range of possibilities.

Why would they? Um, no, wrong question. Actually, it's the opposite of the right question, which is why wouldn't they consider a draftee when you're evaluating a draft class? Duh. That's the whole point. Evaluating a draft class is precisely evaluating who was drafted. As mentioned by other above, that trading Teller was a bad move is very arguable. But that's an entirely different event than drafting him. Which showed excellent judgment.

Nonsense. Yeah, there are indeed a ton of threads debating this, but that says more about the judgement of the fans who don't quite get it and the consistent need for people to designate a whipping boy and bellyache about him, sensible or not. And more about the fact that he's been so good that if he goes for his full market value that he'll get an awful lot of money, and that the Bills have several guys on the roster they desperately want to keep who may prove too expensive in total to keep all of. Taron Johnson, "a decent CB3"? Ridiculous. Good grief, he's one of the best slot corners in the league if not the single best. EDIT: I took out the stuff about Neal, as Kirby's math above addressed it far better and more simply that I had. "Plays 2/3 snaps" you say? Good lord! For a 5th, Neal was good value. This was a terrific draft class, terrific.

Best wishes to her for a fast and complete recovery. Get better soon, Kim. Ten Bostons!! She is awesome! Best to her and you. But we should all stop the baseless speculation.

Wow!!! Great memories!! So many familiar names. And I love the old-fashioned slo-mo highlights.

Yup. Great player to watch. My suspicion is that if given the chance he'd have been another Tyrod at QB. But maybe more. Maybe better. Hard to say, since he never got a long-term chance. But man, was he fun to watch at WR. So so quick and smooth. Butler, maybe. I was thinking the young Sanders, but Briscoe was maybe as good in the short to intermediate range but was more of a deep threat.

He's a good man, but not a good enough QB that I ever wanted him on the team. Best of luck to him in all endeavors. I live in Japan. Have for 30 years. Hopefully you were being sarcastic there, because you're right about falling birth rates (and that's equally true in pretty much every developed economy in the world) but the rest of it is nonsense. Of the "utter" variety.

What trade value could Ford have? A 7th, maybe. A 6th maybe. Maybe not, but maybe. He's a strong guy, a good run blocker. Appears heavy-footed, though. Probably not starting quality on many teams but likely backup quality on quite a few, and very possibly the Bills will be included in that group. I just disagree about Moss. And will continue to do so unless he starts looking bad in camp. Moss is indeed an excellent pass blocker, but he's also showed himself to be a good runner. But inconsistently. I think Moss could probably draw interest. But that he's simply more valuable to the Bills than to any other team.

Yeah, and he had a lot of good carries as a rookie too. Nobody should be saying he's never looked good. But it's fair enough to say he hasn't looked good recently. It'll depend how he looks this coming year and my guess is he looks good. But that's a guess.

I absolutely hope they do extend him. I guess they don't due to cap issues. But he's consistently underestimated here. He's really good, or at least he sure played that way after they finally got the OL figured out. The other day Cover 2 had him as the 10th - 12th best RB in the league last year ... after they put Bates in. Hearing them say that I felt, "at last, someone else seems to see what seems obvious to me." I can't see them paying him his market value, for cap reasons, but I'm still holding onto hope that they can work out a contract with a hometown discount. But I'd certainly understand if Singletary wasn't interested. For RBs, that 2nd contract is absolutely huge for their lifelong financial health.

Wildly unlikely, I think. One gone, of Moss and Singletary? A much better chance, at the end of the season as you're saying. But both? Really doubtful is my guess.

You really didn't. What you had there were guesses, not knowledge. Educated guesses, but guesses. And I'm not saying that about you particularly. It's true of everyone, me certainly included. I hated the Whitner pick (I didn't mind him, I just wanted Ngata) and questioned the Maybin and Spiller picks also. I kinda liked the McKelvin pick and still don't have a major problem with that one, myself. And I'm sure I'm far shorter and more irritating than you, and much more often. I'm sorry about that myself, more so than you should have to feel, IMO. In person I'm a consistent sweetheart and here I'm much more caustic than is good for me to be. Have a great week, and I say that uncaustically. This is about where I stand. I think they're probably all three on the roster, though I would say the most likely cut/trade would be Ford rather than Moss. But we'll see.

Enough balls to go around won't be the limiting factor. Roster spots will be. There are three available and probably another for STs. If these are the top three, which is what I think will happen, there'll be plenty of room for all of them. More, if they want to spread it around, there'd be plenty of balls to go around. It's not as if you save much money getting rid of Moss. You could certainly be right, but I doubt it.

Well, depends if you want to maximize yourself. If you do, yeah, view all things the way I do. There is no alternative for people of true culture. But back to reality. If you judge things only partially that way, then the rest of your method may well be terrific. But it simply isn't fair to judge a pick by what you missed out on. Other than perhaps the very first few picks there's nearly always someone better picked later. Being a human endeavor, that's what you'd expect. Hindsight always makes things look much easier than they actually were.

I'm not sure it's that clear. I'd agree they aren't giving him a big long-term deal, but they might work out something. I hope so.

If you had originally put "Saquon" in the headline you'd probably have gotten a bit better response. We've got a guy named Barkley on our team and I'm sure many (me included) came here thinking you were talking about Matt and thus were irritated as they found you weren't. You might even still be able to change it for first-time visitors. Ligaments and tendons can absolutely be strengthened, grown, bullet-proofed and developed. Having said that, I hear you. RBs tend to wear down sooner than other positions. And CMC seems a good example, though I hope we get to see him healthy again. He was fun to watch.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Ford go. The other two I would expect to be here. It's still early. Not for too much longer, though. If you judge things that way, most picks will look pretty bad. Few picks are so good that nobody better gets picked later.

Bayless is indeed an idiot, but he's not so much doubting Allen as he is saying that Baker hasn't had enough of a chance for us to know what he is yet. Still a bit wacky.

Players always say good things about new teams. But most of it is boiler-plate. The same stuff you hear every time. They value me as a player. Their best player is terrific, it's great to join him and the second-best player. Really looking forward to coming in and making a difference. I'm gonna give 110%. It's when they start getting very specific about the compliments that you know they are real. And players are very specific on Buffalo lately.

So by dominant you mean statistically prolific in one year? Jerry Rice wouldn't be out of place on a list like that. Rice's 1990 and 1993. The guy who's often left out of these discussions is one of the ones who most belongs. Don Hutson. In 1936 he had 34 catches when the #2 was at 20. And 536 yards when the #2 was at 414, #3 at 358, the #4 at 325 and nobody else was above 268. Only four players got above HALF of is total that year, and that was Hutson's 2nd year in the league. Oh, and 8 TDs when the #2 was at 6 and the #3 only had 3 of them!!!! Or look at his 1939 work. 846 yards when the #2 only managed 550 and the #3 only 437. Or his 1941, [war years] when when he managed 738 yards while the 2nd best managed 362, less than half. 58 receptions when the next best managed 29, half. 10 TDs when the #2 managed 6 and the third-best only 4. Same kind of insane dominance for the next few years. One of the all-time most dominant seasons and maybe players as well.