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I would caution people to not over look Tua and the Dolphins. That offense is loaded now, and its not going to need Tua to have a Josh Allen like year 3 for it to be dangerous with all that speed. They are fast everywhere...QB, RB, WR, and TE. If Tua can be solid they will be a tough matchup. If Tua can be better than that, they will be a quite dangerous offense. There are still legit questions about them though...they fired a good HC, so will the new regime be as good, better or worse? Can Tua stay healthy, and if he does, what kind of player can he be? Plus the RB's have both had injury issues in the recent years. But that offense does have potential to be quite good even if Tua is just solid.

This is why I was so adamant pre-draft at the need to draft a corner early, and preferably in round 1. While if there was a guy to believe would come all the back it would be Tre, its also just not a foregone conclusion either. There is also another layer often over looked in situations like his. It can take a while for a player coming of an ACL like this to get back to playing their best, often not until the following season. Its not just a physical challenge, but also a mental challenge to fully trust the body again and play without hesitation. So I feel a LOT better now that we have Elam here given we still don't when he will be able to return to the game or what kind of player he will be when he comes back. Don't get me wrong, I am still optimistic Tre can resume his career and be an impact player moving forward, but its definitely warranted to have concern until we see him on the field again. The good news is if anyone can get back to close to their previous form, or even all the way back, its Tre, especially with his style of play. Plus he is young enough, has the right kind of drive and commitment to be the best version he can be.

Statistically it shows the "trap game" is more a myth, more like something fans or the media say to make sense why a favored team loses to an underdog. Yet, underdogs win every week. Its why historically, there have only been 5 teams in NFL history go winless. And when you think about all the teams that had say 1, 2 or 3 wins...well odds are when they won those games they beat teams better than them given a team with 1-3 wins is either the worst team that year or among the worst.

I fully agree that Rousseau could be in line for a big breakout season, been saying it all off season. HOWEVER...I would caution people on using double digit sack totals as the barometer for deciding it will be a break out year. He can affect the game in so many ways, plus we are still going to use a heavy rotation to keep legs fresh. This isn't a defense where you are likely to see a single player get a ton of sacks, more like our defense as a whole collectively get more sacks with how we use a heavy rotation and now can get pressure from all 4 DL spots plus DB and LB blitzes. But Rousseau can be very disruptive in the passing lanes with his size, like how he tipped Mahomes pass and then caught if for an INT all because of his arm length. And with Miller on the other side and a revamped interior DL that should also get to the QB more, plus our other young DE's rotating through, a breakout year for Rousseau may look like 7-9 sacks with lots of QB pressures, some tipped passes, etc. So I am all for calling it now in terms of him becoming a breakout player on the defense this year because I think he will. I am not sold he hits 10-12 sacks as an individual just for the reasons I said above. Certainly possible, but just saying its also not the only barometer for him to have a breakout season.

Why was it bold as hell for KC? No one thought Alex Smith was even a top 15 QB at that time. Yeah they won 12 games, but they were not an intimidating 12 win team. SF was in a similar situation with Jimmy G and went and got Trey Lance. And in 2017, the consensus top QB in the draft, and really the only one where most were not divided on was Trubisky. Both Watson had various debate on who would be better, and a lot of people on this board were against Mahomes or Watson (especially Mahomes) at 10 too. Mahomes was seen as a guy with mechanics that were believed would have to be rebuilt before he could succeed in the NFL and some had him as a mid first to as low as a second round graded player. Watson was a guy people questioned his turnovers and if he could be a true passer in the NFL, and a lot of people here were not interested in him because of Tyrod Taylor and not wanting another guy like him. Bills had a new HC, an offense that finished 5th in the NFL in scoring, a QB who just went to his 2nd pro bowl in 3 years, with a bottom feeder defense and a GM on his way out the door. They made the decision to acquire the assets to go hard for a QB in the next years draft that was seen as a richer QB draft. So thats not a bold move? To pass on a chance to take a QB at 10 and prioritize acquiring assets to go after a QB in what was seen as a potentially elite QB draft where they would have a whole year to have evaluated our current roster as well as the crop of QB's coming out of college? And lets be honest, it worked because we got that elite QB, one most of us would swap straight up for Mahomes today and certainly not give up Tre and Allen for Mahomes. Then the Bills (and it was leaked that showed "Wyoming" as the top of their whole pre draft board) made more moves to get up to the 12th pick and striking distance to go get their guy. A guy that probably 80% of this board hated and the media blasted them over in Josh Allen despite the fact he almost went #1 overall. They identified the guy who was special out of a crop that was considered one of the best QB draft classes in a decade at that the time of the draft. The guy who was on many mock drafts, media drafts, this boards opinion the worst of the top 5 guys that were slated to go early. And in the process they also drafted Tre White and developed him into an elite player. So no, its not luck in my eyes. They made different bold moves, moves that worked out, moves where they made the right decisions. I 100% guarantee both the Bills and Chiefs would make the exact same choice today if they could do it all over again.

I didnt say you said for him to be fired, but you are without a doubt at least implying there is short term pressure on McD to win that Super Bowl. Go back and read your posts, you are not talking about McD like he is safe, you are talking like his seat is already hot. So all I was pointing out is that in the post where you listed all these coaches with SB rings and how McD must get one too, most the coaches took a while before they got their first ring, most have only the one ring with many more playoff misses and losses, etc etc. I mean this team is now just really arriving, I can't see any chance McD is replaced in the next 2 years barring some unforeseen collapse where injuries were not the reason. He has proven to be a great coach so far, a great unifier, a great leader, and great at coaching up his players. He is the very rare players coach that is still full of discipline and fundamentals. I think he has at least 2 to 3 more years before his job would come into question if we have not yet won the SB. But don't worry...we gonna win it this year anyway and put this matter to rest

Andy Reid Phi: 1-4 in Conference Championship Games. 0-1 in Super Bowl. Andy Reid KC: Does have a SB, but he’s also lost 2 more Chamionship Games and another SB. A day Reid has reached the Conf Championship Game or Super Bowl 9 times. He has only won the SB once. Sean Payton has a SB, but also missed the playoffs many times with a 5000 yard passing Drew Brees led offense. I mean you put all these coaches on some pedestal here while completely ignoring how long it took them to actually win a SB, and how often they came up short too. So sorry, your it must happen right now or else mentality would have fired most of the coaches you just praised before they ever won their first SB.

Im working on confirming seats, if I can get an extra ticket I’ll let you know.

Yup, this rings a bell and what I remember thinking he did it again.

TBH, I dont really remember. But I do remember thinking he just blew another SB and my Fiance is a die hard Niners fan and she and her family still upset with Kyle over the game too, as all many niners fans I know.

Thats is true, and one could look at him too in the Atlanta collapse. Good point for sure Nah, it was more than that. Ask a Niner fan, they have gripes with both Jimmy G and Kyle after that 2019 game.

Yeah, since Jimmy G arrived, Niners have been a tough team. That being said, I think it says more about Kyle than Jimmy G though. Jimmy, like you said, isn’t a top 10 QB. But he is a guy who can protect the ball, and make plays still to compliment a strong run game. And Kyle has been able to win a lot with Jimmy G as a result. If they had a top 10 QB, they would have probably won the SB in 2019 and possibly 2021. But it’s gonna be interesting to see what happens this year. Jimmy still there and Trey is in the wings. If they do officially transition to Trey and it doesn’t work out, it will be one of those situations where you don’t know what you got until it’s gone. Or it could be like when KC traded Smith so Mahomes could take over and ends up being the right move. All the Niners fans I know are nervous haha.

That’s not really an accurate way to phrase it though. They aren’t “feast or famine”, your post makes it sound like that it has to do with the fact Jimmy isn’t top 10 when in reality it’s only about if Jimmy is hurt or not. 5 seasons he’s been there, but he was only there part of that first season as he was acquired via trade. 2017: 6 Wins - Jimmy G didn’t arrive until the trade deadline. He started a week later and the 49ers were undefeated 5-0 with Jimmy G. So the fact they only won 6 games was only because they didn’t have Jimmy G the full season. 2018: 6 Wins - Jimmy G got knocked out for the season in week 3. 2019: Super Bowl birth - Jimmy G led them to the SB that they had the lead in heading into the 4th quarter. 2020: 6 wins - Jimmy G got knocked out for the season again in the 2nd game of the year. They also had other key injuries too like Bosa. 2021: NFCCG - Jimmy G led them back to NFCCG despite losing their starting RBs and also Kittle for a chunk of the season. And may have been a Tarrt dropped gimme interception away from making it back to the SB. As long as Jimmy G is on the field, the Niners win. Which has been the case in 3 of his 5 seasons (he was undefeated that first partial season). So the yo yo is solely based on whether their starting QB was on the field.

Nah, cuz then he’s gonna have an in game 💩emergency 🤣

Hahaha you must have missed the just kidding comment in that post

Hahaha yea thats like 4000 calories and a weeks worth of Salt...think my heart just stopped a quick second at the thought of eating 40 wings haha

Depends on how much ranch I have 🤣 I kid...I kid...🤣

Is there a worse take on this board on any topic? If so, please send it as I don't believe it. 17 years straight losing. Guts team in 2017 and 2018 to shed salary and dead weight and starts the meat of the rebuild in the 2018 draft. 3 years later, we are the #1 ranked offense, #1 ranked defense, reigning back to back 2 time division champion, perennial playoff team and SB contender, with the odds on favorite for MVP, odds on favorite to make and win the SB, and the consensus best roster in the NFL entering the season...a roster that does not have a single player on it from before the McBeane era. But please tells us some more how bad Beane is again.

I dont know I would go that far, I mean he took a pretty weak roster into the playoffs last year. A season where they did beat us once, and challenged late into the season for the divisional title. And with a noodle arm rookie QB who had no receivers to throw to either. I mean how many other coaches could have coached that team into the playoffs last year? I would say its a short list at best, if any. But oh was it ever so sweet and satisfying to destroy them and not have a single punt over the 2 games we played them between reg season and playoffs. hahaha thanks for sharing, that was pretty funny

I mean it’s a message board where people debate their point of views. I actually appreciate other peoples point of views, it’s the best part of this board, the open discussion and varying perspectives and definitely dont demand people fall in line behind my views. And if you are going to say something like when another team does it then its “genius” but when we do it we are dumb and “lucky" then you should expect some push back. Especially given this same front office that not only hit on Allen, but systematically dismantled the old roster, 17 years of losing, and built (mostly through the draft) what is widely considered the best roster in the NFL, with an odds on MVP favorite and the betting favorite to be SB champions. That’s not luck, that is a well run organization from top to bottom whose hard work has paid dividends. Cheers, GoBills.

So Bills trading up to get Allen is luck, but KC trading up to get Mahomes is skill. Ok got it. Supposed it was all just lucky we developed Allen in to the Superstar he is too. Why stop there, every pick we made that was a success must have been luck too then right? Beane should become a professional lottery player because he sure does get “lucky” a lot.

Yeah, also people forget the Bills were tied for 5th in scoring in the NFL the year prior and were amongst the worst defensively. In fact, heading into the final game of the season (after firing Rex and we sat Tyrod) NO and ATL were tied for most TDs in the league, and we were right behind them with only 3 less. We finished the year statistically on defense like late teens ranking, but that was only because Brady was suspended 4 games and we got a lucky shut out when Brady and Jimmy G were hurt along with Gronk during week 4. They would put up over 30 on us next game with Brady and Gronk back. Remove that anomaly due to circumstance, and Bills were 26th in defense across the other 15 games played. Just an awful defensive unit. So its understandable a new HC coming in saw the deficiencies on defense, knew his GM was headed out the door, and decided to wait until the following year to see what they wanted to do at QB. Tyrod, for all his faults, still made the pro bowl 2 of his 3 seasons here, all of which were his only seasons as a starter in the NFL. Even if he knew Tyrod wasn't the long term answer, he knew at least he could hold the position until they went and got their guy in the draft.

Anyone saying Allen is lucky pick needs to immediately follow it up with saying Mahomes was a lucky pick for KC too then. There is no logic at all that makes Allen a "lucky" pick and not Mahomes. They have basically the same story...divided opinion prospects coming into the draft on where they ranked amongst the other QB's who both had mechanics question marks. Both had teams traded up to get them...both became the two best young QB's in football and amongst the best players overall in the NFL. If one is luck, they are both luck. But the reality is that neither were lucky, KC and Buffalo did their homework and they went and got the guy they studied and believed in. To say its luck after the immense amount of time and work those two staffs put into identifying these were the right guys is ridiculous. When KC took Mahomes, everyone assumed Watson would go first. When Buffalo took Allen, people lost their minds it wasn't Rosen. Nothing about it was luck, both teams spent an insane amount of time to determine these were their guys over the other ones on the board most people had "graded" higher. Its more like the fan base got lucky that our FO didn't listen to the fans and take someone else.

Not really fair to say though given he is maybe the best player in the NFL right now and was taken 7th overall. For me, hitting big on guys like Milano, Davis, etc late are just as good of picks as hitting on a first rounder. But yes, importance and value wise to the franchise, Allen is the best and most important pick. But we saw guys like Brees, Stafford, Rivers, Rodgers, Ryan, etc be prolific passers and struggle to make the playoffs or struggle to get to the big dance. Why, because as important as those QB's are, its still vitally important they build a team around them. This is why its always said, "teams" are build in the middle of the draft. And that is something our FO has been very good at and why we have the best roster in the NFL right now in many peoples eyes.

Here we go...more hindsight is 20/20 non sense again. This is so easy and utterly lazy for a fan to say now that we have seen what those other players have become. What is even more ridiculous is that none of those guys would have even reached the 10th pick if people knew then what they would be today. So, this is just a pointless post. To be honest, it just oozes desperation to hold on to a negative view point in the most desperate of ways. Not to mention Tre is absolutely in the same company as these guys at his position, and honestly better than a couple of them. Furthermore, I would take the combo of Tre White and Josh Allen over any of those players, and I would take Josh Allen alone over any of those players. BUT...the MOST egregious and utterly absurd thing you said is we "lucked" into Josh Allen. If you say that, then that means KC "lucked" into Mahomes too. Mahomes was graded anywhere from first to second round even though he was expected to go first round. KC saw greatness and made a move to get him. Josh Allen was expected to go in the first, but most people had Rosen going before him once Allen didn't go number 1 to Cleveland. And as we know, a lot of people lost their minds, especially around here. I dont understand people like you. Any great move we make...we lucked into it. Another team makes the same move, they are geniuses. Our FO has found elite players, pro bowlers, very good players, and very good role players in every draft and all over the draft to the point we have the CONSENSUS best roster in the entire NFL right now. If you want to hold on to this wet blanket mentality and call it all "luck", then all I can say is go outside and find some sunshine because the doom and gloom is played out and long gone.