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I have no qualms about trading for DK, although I think Garrett or Crosby does more for this team if we can only pick one. It was always a long shot for us to get DK, assuming we even tried, but if we were gonna make a big trade for someone at WR he did seem like the only possible target. But…if the Packers are gonna offer what is being stated is on the table, he’s gonna be a Packer, we won’t be able to compete with that offer and doubt anyone else will either. A quality first plus a talented young WR isn’t likely being beaten by anyone.

I voted No because I wouldnt be able to handle the never ending threads and posts of people melting down for the rest of Cooks career every time he made a reasonable or better play

Thanks and agree with everything you said too

Admittedly “everyone” was a poor choice of words, so apologies for that. I more meant those that did miss it just given that clearly Dorian is older than lots of guys who have gotten 100 tackles including former Bills players. I like Dorian, and he’s showing up in Shakirs offseason workouts that Shakir is posting on IG, so love seeing him putting the work in to keep getting better

Dude what? I was very respectful in my post to you...if you took it otherwise, then I don't know what to tell you. It was a simple suggestion and the reason I was suggesting it. Take a chill pill...and no disrespect (since you seem to be keen on taking things as if they are disrespectful)...the fact you have to keep correcting people is exactly why you should just have edited the post and made it clear as it clearly continued to cause confusion to those who aren't aware. I knew, and when I read your OP it didn't read like you knew...all you said was that "obviously its mostly defensive" when it was 100% defensive players on our list, not "mostly" and none of that suggests its because the offense hasn't reported. Most people on this board don't follow the combine to the level you seem to expect them to as football fans...I do, but the majority here don't know or follow the schedule. Really was absolutely no reason to get so rude and pissy about this dude. You do you bud, didn't realize I had to thank you for voluntarily making a post before I could make a simple suggestion to help those who don't follow the combine from getting confused.

Thank you...how did everyone miss this? It was pretty clear in how it was written that they were not referencing in NFL history.

Our issue is not that we are missing an AJ Brown, Chase, or MHJ...Chase cant even make the playoffs with Burrow and Higgins. AJ Brown didn't get back to the SB until they fixed their defense (which dominated the SB and was the #1 D this year) through the draft and added an elite RB. MHJ isn't sniffing the playoffs. Justin Jefferson, DK Metcalf, Hill, etc are not helping their teams get over any humps either. But...Chiefs are putting up an average of 35 PPG in the postseason against the Bills...despite the Chiefs going on to lose the very next game 3 times and averaging just 17 PPG. Allens stats against the Chiefs are incredible, as they are overall in the postseason. We just scored 29 against a team that had never scored 30 once this year and we still lost. We had the 16th greatest offense in NFL history and set multiple team and individual offensive records. Still lost to a team that had never scored 30 by allowing 32 points. Its our defensive efforts against the Chiefs that have lost us games...and its a combo of scheme and lack of difference makers on the defensive side of the ball. Its why we need to find a real difference maker on defense, someone who can just flip one scoring drive by getting off the field on 3rd down on sheer talent alone regardless of scheme issues. That alone would reverse our last 3 losses to KC.

Well my suggestion is you make that clear in your OP then, because the way you wrote didn't imply that info and there are several posts in here that seem to think we are intentionally meeting with D over O which is misleading and not the case.

Not sure if anyone follows Shakir on IG, but he is already doing his full offseason training and Dorian is working out with him too. Paid and still driven to be the best version of himself and great to see another young player in Dorian putting the work in too.

It was all defensive players because only the defensive players report there first and offense doesn't get there until Friday.

While Milano might get traded there is not going to be any players included in a trade for Garrett. All Cleveland will want is picks, they are crippled for 2 years by Watson contract

Hahahahaha you sir win the internet today

Ha, I didn't even see what you posted...yeah I have been beating the drum for Shakir since we drafted him, definitely wasn't me short changing him.

Oh did we get a 5th back...for some reason I thought we just sent the 3rd. Well then maybe your proposal would work. Either way, I would be all for it from our side if the Packers would bite. To be fair though, I don't know his contract numbers look like in a trade, but draft pick comp vs player value is there if we can handle the cap impact.

Ha all good man, just a friendly chat. But I can assure you that Shakir is coveted around the league as I hear from people very much in the league about it. An unselfish WR, who has some of the best hands in football, who is a major RAC threat with the ball in his hands, and also is both a good and willing blocker that does all the dirty work too...he is a rare find in todays NFL and coaches covet guys like him. Not to mention his commitment and dedication to reach his potential he puts into his offseason's.

2 reasons why I don't think the Shakir deal "killed off" any options or plans for them... It is very clear that extending Shakir was a high priority, and I said it would be during the season and I believe you did too. This extension was part of their plan from the get go, so getting it done isn't making them change direction in how they intended on addressing the WR group this offseason. What is really out there in the form of a blockbuster vet WR trade? The most wishful one has been DK, but he isn't even officially available, its just speculation that Seattle would trade him, and even if they did, its more guess work as to what they would want for him. So what else is there if not DK? Hill? Not going to likely be traded IMHO, but even if he was, they are not sending him to Buffalo and we aren't taking on his salary and baggage he brings. Adams? More likely to get cut than traded IMHO. Deebo? Not a fit at all for what we need here. I think the most realistic plan was either using FA to sign a vet, drafting help, or some combo of both. And I think their plan is to look at things like bringing back Cooper or signing a vet in FA like Hollywood, Slayton, or even Adams (if he is cut) if they go the vet route in any capacity. I am not saying they wouldn't have pulled the trigger on a blockbuster WR trade, but I just don't see such a trade out there unless DK is really made available. And dont get me wrong, would be great if they did land someone like DK, just don't think it was ever realistic. So for me, I don't think this extension "killed off" anything and was always part of their plan for the offseason.

They got a 3rd from us for Rasul...Jaire is better than Rasul, not sure that gets it done. But I would do that deal if they the Packers would take it

Actually, Shakir is very highly respected outside of Buffalo and around the league, not just as a "nice" player, but as a very good player. And no one player is going to be the foundation of the best passing duo in the league in Buffalo, not in this style of offense where they run a balanced offense and spread the ball around in a true "everybody eats" fashion that isn't going away regardless of who is on the roster. He is the kind of player coaches covet, dont be fooled by the fact that he may not be the most coveted guy in fantasy football...had Shakir hit the FA market he would have had a lot of suitors and gotten noticeably more money.

Ollie has speed, he is 4.45 guy, but he’s more downhill long speed than short area explosive speed. Once he gets in the open he’s fast and tough to bring down. But I do agree I think they would look at more of home run hitter I think that has that more explosive acceleration and shiftiness at the LOS for more big play potential since we already have Davis.

No disprespect bud...but that is missing a LOT Of context and the bolded is not really a fair statement...The only guys drafted to actually compete at WR were Davis, Shakir, and Coleman, all of which started for this team. The rest were late round fliers for ST purposes or guys who could spend some time on the PS and potentially develop. And that is because they had Diggs and found Davis early and were initially using vets like Brown and Sanders as Davis developed more even though Davis began contributing immediately as a rookie. So really, Beane is 3 for 3 with a 4th TBD in Keon. He sent a first for Diggs who exceeded expectations, turned a 4th rounder in Davis into a significant contributor and starter, and drafted Shakir to be the future of the slot. If Keon hits, then he will be 4 of 4 when using draft capital to find starters for the offense at WR. At no point were McCloud (who has made a nice littler career for himself), Proehl, Stevenson, Hodgins, or Shorter ever considered the future of the position, future starters, etc when they were drafted. And every team has an exact list just like this of late round guys they took for the same reasons that also didn't do anything.

Just to be clear...Keon Coleman played 4 less games than Worthy and started 5 less games. Bills also set an NFL record for most wins by 20+ or more (believe it was 7) to where Allen and the offense took off the 4th quarter and even most the 2nd half of a couple games. Keon plays for a defensive HC. Worthy plays for one of the best offensive minds in history with a QB considered in the GOAT conversations already before he is 30. YET - Worthy only had 82 more yards on the season and 2 more TD's as a reciever. 4 more games...5 more games started...only 82 more receiving yards and 2 more TD's. Keon 19.2 yards per catch. Worthy 10.8 yards per catch. With Keon, Allen had his best season as a pro and won MVP. With Worthy as a season long starter, Mahomes had his worst season as a pro. What you are doing is carefully being sure to add the "postseason" because Worthy got a huge stat boost in the SB down 34-0 with a bunch of garbage time stats that make it look like he did more than he really did. The reality is that Worthy showed who he was, a complimentary piece more suited for as more of a specialty player than a lead target...at least so far. And that is not what the Bills needed during the draft, and even if we redrafted I would bet money our pick still isn't Worthy, nor should it be.

All good, and agree about it being an indictment of this passing offense which this year was more take what the D gives you and spreads the ball around. Shakir is a product of our system in terms of depth of target and stuff because of how dangerous he has shown to be with the ball in his hands. They are using him on this short quick strikes almost as an extension of the run game, much how SF uses Deebo a lot. I think if you put Shakir in a more high volume role with someone like Rams or Lions who know how to really use a guy like him, he would be an automatic 1000+ yard guy and wouldn't surprise me to see him put up several 1200+ yard seasons in a role like that. Im just glad we got him here for the next 4 years on a good deal for him and the Bills because he has been our most trusted and reliable pass catcher who has the trust and great rapport from Allen. I still like Keon despite never quite getting back to where he was before the injury. And I think both him and Shakir will only benefit by adding someone who can be a threat downfield.

I think you missed the part where he was comparing Worthy and Shakir, not Keon.

Just wanted to say congratulations to Shakir and his new deal and this felt like the thread to do it. I said all over this board during the season he was not only going to get extended, but it was going to happen this offseason because Beane would be motivated to lock him up now before FA and Shakir would be motivated to get a new deal now rather than play on a 5th round rookie contract one more season risking injury before FA. Not to mention, the whole organization loves Shakir and he seems to love it here, so the motivation for a fair deal at a home town discount was all there. I couldn't love this deal more...great move Beane and couldn't be happier for Shakir who earned every bit of this life changing deal. LFG! GO BILLS! 2024 Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGZ9o0ZaeSs

So you think garbage time stats in the Super Bowl down 34-0 makes his post season great? LMAO...you just want to stick to your original position at all costs.