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Twice I believe…and wasn’t the primary WR when he did

I am still curious to what he could have done in this offense with Josh and Brady

Ok this was funny...nice work

I understand, but you misunderstood the context of my statement. When I said "You can only operate off what is known, you can't condemn a kid for life off an allegation that is yet to be substantiated", that had nothing to do with TSW or peoples reactions here. It was about how Hairston should have been viewed and treated on draft night. That at some point, life goes on, and if he was cleared then all you can do is treat it as such and Beane, or any other team, on draft night rightfully treated it as he had been cleared. And no disrespect, bringing up Diddy is no where near relatable, not even 1%. What Diddy was found not guilty on they had weak evidence of from the start...you just listed a lot of things that were NOT part of the actual charges he beat, like the video tape. I wanted Diddy to go down as much as anyone, but I said it right from the start, people do not understand what he is actually charged with and most the hard evidence showing how bad of a person he is not supporting evidence against him pertaining to the more serious charges he was on trial for. With Hairston, there was no evidence, nothing to corroborate the story this woman accused Hairston of after multiple investigations, including the authorities. And what all of them said was that there was no evidence to support the claims and that the incident didn't appear to happen. And that may be correct or that may not be correct...but 5 years later, its the only thing anyone has to go on which is why teams like the Bills didn't rely only on that, they also did a deep dive and due diligence on character witnesses to try and best understand who he is and the type of person he is and weigh that as well, which he got rave reviews on as well, further supporting his proclamation of innocence that the investigation provided.

You can only operate off what is known, you can't condemn a kid for life off an allegation that has yet to be substantiated. One of my best friends in High School was accused of all kinds of crap from a psycho we worked with and he briefly dated. She would call the police and fabricate things on nights he was out with me and crashed at my house or I crashed at his house so they couldn't possibly be true. I was even staying at his house one night after we went to a Kings game in Sacramento where she showed up in a hoody and broke his car windows but then called the police and claimed he came to her house, roughed her up, and broke HER windows and then claimed he broke his own windows to frame her lol. She even tried to create accusations to get him kicked out of the Navy before he even left for bootcamp on some psychotic hope they could be together if he didn't leave for Texas. So only him and the accuser know the truth - but just because he didn't have money back then doesn't mean she wasn't capable of fabricating or exaggerating information either. And to be fair, no charges being filed does NOT mean innocence either. But the bottom line is that nothing was ever found to corroborate the accusation, and his name was cleared through thorough investigations by many different parties, including the police. So life has to go on, and people can only operate based on what they could find or determine. So until something else changes, this kid had his name cleared and there was nothing wrong with drafting him. And if something damning comes out that was previously unknown, I have no doubt Beane would make a correct and swift decision to release him. But on draft night, I wouldn't fault anyone for drafting him after all the investigations by authorities, schools, and teams found nothing on the matter.

Man - If this isn’t a testament to how remarkable his comeback was. I can’t believe he was able to play football again on that leg. What a heroic story and effort of determination after one of the most gruesome injuries in the sports history. Hats off to him 👏 #Warrior

💯 - but also...

lol now you are just getting silly. All good, to each their own

Is it really an opinion though? I mean the facts are pretty clear. Bakers QB rankings in the NFL last year were: 3rd in yards 2nd in TDs 7th in avg yards per pass 4th in QBR 3rd in comp % I think its more than just an opinion that he should not be in consideration for the last of the franchise guys. He was arguably a top 5 QB in the NFL last year. Like I said, there are guys who you listed worthy of consideration and open for debate for the dubious "last of the franchise guys"...but Baker right now is not one of them.

I get that, my point remains, Baker has no place in this conversation. There is no reality where he is a contender for the "last of the franchise" QB's right now, he is clearly in a tier above all of those guys and firmly in that 2nd tier behind the top dogs. And as I said, while Purdy is less cut and dry, I don't think he does either.

To be fair - after agents, managers, taxes and hookers its probably more like $40m lol

Thats a fair assumption, but a lot of people think we made moves directly because of information given by Beane, and I just don't think that has any validity to it. McD already knew the Panthers needs before he was hired as HC, he definitely didn't need insight from Beane to know they might have interest in those positions. So the fact we traded up I think had nothing to do with Beane's eventual hire here and everything to do with McD already knowing the Panthers inside and out, Bills team scouting the whole year on who we wanted and what other teams besides just the Panthers might have interest as well, etc. I really don't think anything more than that occurred. We will never know for sure, but the likelihood anything from Beane influenced the Bills draft day decisions seems pretty low given McD would have known that info on his own having just come from the Panthers.

Your list - the list you wrote in your OP. You started with a list of 5 QB's who were "contenders" as you said in your opinion for the "last" - aka worst - of the franchise QB's. I like the question, but the inclusion of Baker as a contender is where I am saying he has no business being a part of this discussion. He is a tier 2 QB behind tier 1 of Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, and Lamar. He is easily a top 10 overall NFL QB right now, and can be argued anywhere from 5th to 8th overall QB in the NFL right now. I would have him at 6 or 7 overall at QB personally and no lower than 8th. He is in a higher tier that players like Tua, Lawerence, etc. I also don't think Purdy should have been mentioned either, as someone who has watched every game he has played I can say I think he is better than a lot of people want to give him credit for.