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This is really the only optimistic part of Gabes return - is the only guy here at WR who seems to know what to do on scramble drill is Shakir, the others not so much. And at least Gabe should be better at that. But as I said earlier, hard to get excited about Gabe when he was so inconsistent before when he had Diggs on the other side of the field. Now he has to get open with Keon on the other side instead - not the same thing. Not to mention also coming off knee issues...

Lets be clear - what the Bills are running is not the tush push. There happens to be someone pushing on Josh's tush, but that is the least significant part of the "tush push" and its main contribution to the play is in name only. The Eagles don't run anything remotely close to this less effective and bastardized version we run that literally contributed to us not making the SB last year. What the real secret to the "tush push" is begins and ends with the OL. They go straight to the ground and under the defense while a strong legged QB gets low right behind and goes straight up the gap on the snap. The low leverage by the OL is so effective that teams have even tried lining up a NT perpendicular to the LOS as a wall against it (and it still didn't work). What we do is a QB sneak where everyone stands up and blocks like any other play. Then Josh doesn't even hit the gap, he side steps into a different gap between the LT and Guard, and that delay is why it also doesn't work at nearly the same success rate along with the OL doesn't have the blocking leverage advantage like they do when they go low. All we run a highly predictable (always to the same spot) QB Sneak that is way easier to stop than what Philly runs and then we have some 180 pound RB also pushing Josh and calling it a "tush push". If you took away the pushing of the tush from Philly, they could still run the same play at almost the same absurd success rate, the pushing of the tush is the least significant part of it. And why do we run such a dumb version - most likely because Bills were highly vocal against it and wanted it banned. Which is dumb IMHO when you got Josh Allen to run it. Take the advantage and shut up about it. Our version is so bad that we have failed and then had to reattempt by having Josh literally put the ball in harms way by going over the top and extending it out over the DL where it can very easily get knocked away for a turnover. And that has already happened this year to another team attempting to go over the top recently. Why we are so stupid and stubborn in down and short when we should be at a near 100% conversion rate with Josh Allen is just absurd.

I would trade for BTJ in a heartbeat, even if he isn't the guy he was last year and somewhere between that guy and the guy this year, the mere threat of him has value to this team from the outside position. BUT - The trade from the outside looking in makes no sense to the Jags. They still have 2 1/2 years on his rookie deal and an optional year after that. They just traded a bounty to get Hunter to pair with him, they have very little in the WR behind those 2, and Hunter isn't even a full time WR. Not to mention the gazillion dollar over pay to fake TD Jesus where they need to keep as many weapons for him to try and salvage that awful contract they gave him. Now the HC is saying they aren't trading him (yes I know the whole semantics game being played here to keep "hope" alive), and he last said that emphatically about Eitenne when everyone was certain he was getting traded in the preseason and they did not trade just like they said. Instead they traded Tank. Right now, I think the reality is BTJ is not being traded, and even though I (like many) were all in on trying to get him if he was "available", the reality is most of these stories are total BS from the get go. Someone gets word one team called about a guy, even if rebuffed, now the story is the team is "fielding calls for X player". It happens all the time, and its almost always nonsense or exaggerated to get clicks. IMHO - Not only is he not coming here, he isn't going anywhere. DISCLAIMER: If he does end up getting traded anyway and it doesn't atleast come out that we tried to get in on him, then Benae will have to answer for that as he is a no brainer go and get guy for what this team lacks from all angles - type of player, position, skill set, and contract is a rookie deal.

He is up on $2 in volume at $0.99 per - doesn't mean much. Means someone just bet $2 he might get traded

Im happy to see Davis back and hope to see him on the field sooner rather than later with Palmer out. But - we may all want to curb the expectations a bit. When he was here before, he was opposite Diggs. Now he is opposite Keon or Palmer when he will be in the game. Not the same thing.

He’s worse. And it’s not even a question.

No disrespect, but IMHO Im not sure how Keon looks any different than anyone else in this clip. Look we need more from him, and honestly I think Brady is using him wrong, but I feel like people are just looking for stuff now and manufacturing things a bit out of nothing. There’s nothing wrong with Keon on this clip from what I saw, just my 2 cents.

Yeah I am too, this was more of a just in case which is why I was like just try it out in practice some in case we are still a dumpster fire on the back end as we get closer to playoffs.

Allen has definitely not been up to par most the season. He has been bailing on the pocket too early (and that cost us the Pats game late), he isn't seeing guys who are open, he is missing throws, he had multiple bad decision picks, and his ball placement has been wildly inconsistent resulting in either missed throws or completed throws that should have gone for bigger gains or scores with a better ball. I am not worried, I do believe he will find a way to turn it on, but something is definitely off right now. And I think part of the problem is Brady and his misuse of the personnel. Keon - They have turned him into literally Mack Hollins 2.0 with how they use him. He is getting the most snaps (100% on Sunday) because they have made him a blocker first rather than a primary target. Its also hard for a primary WR to get it going when most the snaps they play are not intended to get him the ball. And when they do use him as a pass catcher, they keep trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and are using him wrong. That is on Brady. Shakir - He is coming off the field WAY too much. He is by far our best WR and they are taking him off the field way too much in a rotation. Shakir is Allens best outlet, they need to keep the targets he feels the best about on the field more. He isn't tired, he doesn't need the rest, but this obsession to get 8-10 different guys touches every week is keeping Allen from having his best players on the field more. OVER OBESSESSION WITH BLOCKING - A major issue with this offense is that on a lot of our called passes, there is a primary read where the other targets are there to clear out and block with one check down option. If that primary read doesn't come open and they got the checkdown covered, it doesn't leave Allen anywhere to go with the ball. LET OUR TARGETS BE TARGETS! This is a big reason why when we get into the 2 minute offense we see us move the ball easier, there is less focus on scheming a guy open with guys to block and more on pushing the ball down field where our targets are running more as actual targets. Samuels/Moore - They need to choose ONE and get him involved. They basically are splitting the reps that should be there for one WR, and again, its hard for a QB and WR to get rhythm and in sync when they are just in and out of the huddle so much. Pick one already and let Allen get used to throwing to them. Too many multiple TE sets. If we are going to run different big packages with 2 and 3 TE's, then use them in the passing game like they said they were going to do when they drafted Kincaid after paying Knox. I have been a big fan of Brady through his first 1 1/2 seasons. But in 2025 he has not been good and his adjustments have not been good. Yes we had a big points output against Carolina, but the reality is the passing game still had all the same issues and was anemic. Our score was based on the run game and the bad Carolina offense and defense. If this team plays the same way on offense next week against KC, I am telling you we wont win. Cook isn't getting over 200 yards rushing on the Chiefs, Allen and the passing game will need to be effective vs KC or we might be headed for a wildcard birth this year if we lost that game and potentially go down 2 games to the Pats in our division.

THIS. There is this urban legend that Allen has a great deep ball and that all we need is a deep guy. But its really his worst throw, even on completions he leaves the ball someplace its tough for YAC. Queue someone responding with a clip of the Davis throw against the Steelers or something like 5 years ago while ignoring the plethora of missed throws, INT's, or poor throws that were completed but left yards/points on the field because he didn't hit the wide open guy in stride. I am one of Allens biggest fans, but his bread and butter is not the deep ball. His best version of shots down field are the ropes he can throw 20-30 yards that most other QB's just can't or his scramble drill throws. But sitting in the pocket and taking deep shots is not his strong suit.

Honestly, once Max shows he is ready for all the snaps, then in practice if I was McD, I would experiment with getting Bishop some reps as SS and trying Tre on some reps at FS. Im not delusional, this isnt Madden where you just plug him in there and poof Tre is a FS. But, plenty of talented CB's have made a successful transition to S late in their careers where there explosion has waned but still have good instincts and ball skills. Tre has that, he has the IQ, etc to potentially make a successful transition. I am not saying just move him, but why not try and get him some reps in practice and see how it goes, could be a better combo come playoff time.

Seriously this guy is the anti-poon of WR’s. Go ask JSN what he thinks about him. I have no doubt he and the combo of fake Football Jesus Lawerence are why he’s regressed. He may or may not equal what he did as a rookie ever again, but I know Waldron is not the guy I would ever judge a WR on.

If they traded up it would have been to get BTJ, not Keon. All they had to do to get Keon was stay in front of the Pats who wanted Keon top of the 2nd.

I don't disagree that Murray is part of the problem, but MHJ has also been a let down to the hype.

This was the proper outcome - just fine them and move on. It wasn't the issue some made it out to be in the media or around here.